artificial feeding-Terri Schiavo - page 10

I posted this here becaue I think this subject is something that we as nurses deal with on a regular basis.....Many many people state that they have a big problem with the feeding being stopped... Read More

  1. by   alanpe
    Choice freedom:

    People can write a testament about what, where and how they would like to die, else we have understand tha parents and husbund may decide.
    Some times is good to wait for a legal decisiviness.
  2. by   Kyriaka
    Quote from jeepgirl
    i thought that with bulemia the women were normal sized?
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    They can be any size.
  3. by   Kyriaka
    Quote from ValerieB
    I think it's a very tragic situation for all concerned with Terri. I firmly believe that her government needs to stay the heck out of it. None of us really know what her husband is going through. I have a dear friend who suffered massive brain damage from an MVA. She is only 48 years old and living in a nursing home. Her husband was given advice to actually divorce her because of the financial burden. Do any of us know what we would do if this happened to us? Her parents are probably in denial and see what they want to see. Is it such a terrible thing for her husband to want to go on with his life? I think everyone needs to have these discussions with their family because it ends up tearing them apart at a time when they need each other the most. From the pictures I've seen on TV, what kind of quality of life is she living? If they remove her feeding tube, she will be in God's hands.
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    People have no problem with him going on. But he wont. He wants 2 families.
  4. by   Kyriaka
    Quote from icyounurse
    i think that they should just let that poor woman die with some dignity. i can understand where her parents would have a hard time letting go--but my god its been over 10 years. shouldn't they start the greiving process? i mean, does anyone see the irony in the fact that she ended up like this because of anorexia and now her parents are force feeding her brain dead body? i really don't think anyone with body issues that severe would want to be on cnn with a bad haircut drooling on themselves. i personally WOULD NEVER WANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT and neither would most people.
    who is paying fort his anyway? just curious. :angryfire
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    she is not brain dead.

    right now many people are paying for her care. Her family wants to take her home to care for her. Dr.'s and nurses have offered their care FREE OF CHARGE. But the husband has refused even free physical therapy.
  5. by   Kyriaka
    When did nursing become pro active euthanasia??

    No wonder the Hemlock Society is able to get nurses to answer their 1-800 number.
  6. by   JustaMaleRN
    Listening to all the issues and commentary about Terri, I have a good feeling for what the husband is going through. He has attempted to fulfill what he felt were Terri's desires. He has been twarted the entire way by her well meaning, but misguided parents. (His view) He is lashing out for his rights as her husband and now legal guardian. Her parents are ignoring the true facts of the case that they have no legal say in this matter anymore. They lost that say when Terri signed her name to the marriage certificate and the marriage ceremony was complete.

    Michael is mad as heck, and he is not going to take it anymore. I would feel the same way if I were trying to fulfill my wife's last wishes and had her family members come in and challenge these wishes. I would become bitter, especially if it went on for more than 14 years. It hurts to see your loved one in these kinds of situations.

    I have dealt for years with well intentioned but misguided parents, spouses and family members. Keep grandma on the ventilator, do everything, damn the expenses. They have no grasp of what the realities of the situation are.

    Terri has beat the odds. Bless her for what she has gone through, hell in this life. May she achieve the peace she desired in this life.
  7. by   Katmease
    Quote from JustaMaleRN
    Listening to all the issues and commentary about Terri, I have a good feeling for what the husband is going through. He has attempted to fulfill what he felt were Terri's desires. He has been twarted the entire way by her well meaning, but misguided parents. (His view) He is lashing out for his rights as her husband and now legal guardian. Her parents are ignoring the true facts of the case that they have no legal say in this matter anymore. They lost that say when Terri signed her name to the marriage certificate and the marriage ceremony was complete.

    Michael is mad as heck, and he is not going to take it anymore. I would feel the same way if I were trying to fulfill my wife's last wishes and had her family members come in and challenge these wishes. I would become bitter, especially if it went on for more than 14 years. It hurts to see your loved one in these kinds of situations.

    I have dealt for years with well intentioned but misguided parents, spouses and family members. Keep grandma on the ventilator, do everything, damn the expenses. They have no grasp of what the realities of the situation are.

    Terri has beat the odds. Bless her for what she has gone through, hell in this life. May she achieve the peace she desired in this life.
    How does that explain the sunlight issue, the cremation, etc.? It doesn't appear to me that he's looking out for her best wishes, in fact, he looks to be vindictive.
  8. by   Nancy2
    JustaMaleRN,

    Thank you! This man has been without his partner for 14 years and people are down on him for being engaged and having a life with someone else. This matter was supposed to have been settled long ago! Her spouse is trying to carry out her wishes and the parents can't let go. Legally, he is her next of kin. These people are supposed to be Christian. Even the Bible states that when we get married that is our new family, not the one we came from. Even is he gets money from life insurance or whatever, it won't be enough to pay all the legal fees and agony he has been through in his attempts to honor his wife's wishes! I only pray that my husband would be so steadfast if he needed to be,
    Nancy2
  9. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from Kyriaka
    When did nursing become pro active euthanasia??

    No wonder the Hemlock Society is able to get nurses to answer their 1-800 number.
    I don't believe this is about euthanasia. This is about letting some natural events occur without massive medical intrusion. Our healthcare system as well as our medicaid and social security system is crammed full of people who are little more than vegetables. They have no quality of life and are a massive financial drain on everyone involved...and this usually becomes state and federal funds in state run facilities in time because it is soooo expensive to care for these cases. Its part of the problem with our failing social security system.

    We treat our animals better than humans when it comes to a dignified death.
    I would not want to live in Terry's condition and yes I DO have a living will.
    She has been proven brain dead. Just because her eye seems to follow a balloon doesn't mean she's 'in there' but people don't understand that.

    We need to stop intervening in the natural demise of people in these situations IMHO. If after a certain timeframe there is proven brain death we need to let them go and stop going to extremes to prevent their natural deaths. A big part of the problem is the futile care we deliver because of fear of lawsuit in our acute health systems.

    I understand there are many POV's on this issue. I believe if the brain is dead this is no longer a human with a quality of life and we need to respect what that means.

    JMHO.
  10. by   James Huffman
    Quote from mattsmom81
    I don't believe this is about euthanasia. This is about letting some natural events occur without massive medical intrusion. Our healthcare system as well as our medicaid and social security system is crammed full of people who are little more than vegetables. They have no quality of life and are a massive financial drain on everyone involved...and this usually becomes state and federal funds in state run facilities in time because it is soooo expensive to care for these cases. Its part of the problem with our failing social security system.

    We treat our animals better than humans when it comes to a dignified death.
    I would not want to live in Terry's condition and yes I DO have a living will.
    She has been proven brain dead. Just because her eye seems to follow a balloon doesn't mean she's 'in there' but people don't understand that.

    We need to stop intervening in the natural demise of people in these situations IMHO. If after a certain timeframe there is proven brain death we need to let them go and stop going to extremes to prevent their natural deaths. A big part of the problem is the futile care we deliver because of fear of lawsuit in our acute health systems.

    I understand there are many POV's on this issue. I believe if the brain is dead this is no longer a human with a quality of life and we need to respect what that means.

    JMHO.
    1. Providing nutrition and hydration is not "massive medical intrusion."

    2. "Quality of life" is a subjective assessment. Don't assume it, because we can't know it in someone else.

    3. Caring for the disabled has nothing to do with social security, and any problems the SS system is having.

    4. Terry Schiavo has not been proven "brain dead."

    5. Feeding and hydrating a person is not "going to extremes." It is preventing the individual from starving or dying of thirst.

    6. Finally, Terry Schiavo's brain is not dead. This is obvious to anyone who sees the videos of her.

    Jim Huffman, RN
  11. by   happytobehere96
    There is no recent video because there was an injunction preventing media from taping her. The parents have begged for video of her to be allowed out to the media, however this is not allowed


    Quote from suemom2kay
    I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here...

    If Terri is doing as well as her website claims http://www.terrisfight.org,

    why are there no recent videos/pictures of her. I find it hard to believe that she is doing as well now as the videos on the website.

    Perhaps she would have done better if Michael had allowed more medical intervention, but it is probably a moot point. The point now is what would Terri want.

    If she is just lying there in a coma, I can't imagine she has good quality of life and I say let her go.
  12. by   mercyteapot
    I didn't realize "most everyone agrees" it is one's right to refuse to initiate artificial feeding. Do you have some statistic or source for that? I would imagine that people who do feel that way are not the ones that feel Terri Schiavo's husband is wrong here. I haven't heard anyone indicate that they think Terri's case is different from what they would think of any other case with the same set of criteria.
  13. by   payday
    Think of the sheer monotony of her days. One day identical to the next. Never tasting food. Pleasure seeking is natural. What pleasure does she have? What does she have to look forward to---oral care? Being turned and positioned. Staring at mom for another decade. How natural is that for a life. Would you want to grow old that way?

    Real living is enjoying new signs of spring outside, experiencing life, having coffee at the mall with friends, going for a new haircut. I wouldn't want my dog to live like she does. She has suffered enough. Let her rest in peace. She should be nominated for sainthood having endured hell on earth.

    I think the clergy that what to "save" her have never worked with those in vegetative states. Let her go to a much better place with dignity.

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