Are you in Nursing for the Caring or the Cash?? Be Honest - page 8
hello i am currently in nursing school and the weirdest thing is how future nurses talk about how they are going to be getting paid!! it's as if caring is not involved in their frame of mind, this... Read More
Jun 22, '04Quote from LovePeaceJoyYou have some good points about the grass always being greener. I worked in retail, finance (big bucks to be made) and as a personal trainer (big stretches, I know) and there were butts and politics in every job. Each one was tiring in it's own way and there was always venting by other staff/employees.I've heard about these 8-5, 9-5, whatever to whatever jobs that keep being mentionned on this board that are supposed to be so much less stressful, so much more rewarding, so well paying, and so less physically demanding than nursing. The only think I can maybe agree on is that an office job might be less demanding physically. I think these comments usually come from people that have not had any other job than a nursing job. Any office job with a moderately decent pay scale requires you to work for your money. This may include getting business calls in the evening and weekends, coming in early and leaving two hours late. AND GUESS WHAT-- MOST OF THE TIME YOU DO NOT GET OVERTIME. Lunch? What Lunch? Those wonderful IT jobs that some nurses think are a piece of cake because people might have the opportunity to work from home, require you to work 60 hours a week and will then lay you off when the job goes to India. :angryfire
Let's talk about burnout rate. The marketing managers in my industry usually burn out in about two years. With their travelling schedules they easily work more than 70 hours a week (including weekends) and get paid less than the recent grad NY nurse working a 3 day, 12 hour shift.
I guess the grass is always greener....
Jun 22, '04I didn't get the idea that other professions were being trashed here so perhaps I missed something, but, as it is a discussion board and we are talking about nursing, I think it is an interesting point, but not one that has much point here. I personally never felt the need to dis anyone else about what they do, and unless one has been both a nurse and in the field you mention, one doesn't really have a clue about one over the other or in comparison to each other...I imagine all areas have their problems but nursing is definitely a whole other animal in many respects..
Jun 22, '04I like my office job. I like the fact I can take a break when I want to. I like the fact that everyone respects my passion/love of computers. I like the fact I have to keep learning to keep abreast of what I need to know. I like the fact noone can treat me like a door stop because I have advanced technological knowledge.
And no, I don't get paid anymore than a floor nurse. But the perks through my eyes are worth it.
Jun 22, '04Quote from TexasPoodleMixI'm a nurse, truck driver, webmaster, MOUS expert and spent 3 years in an office doing not much more than data entry! What a rotten way to spend a lifetime but I was determined to fullfil my agreement, I did and back to nursing I went!You have some good points about the grass always being greener. I worked in retail, finance (big bucks to be made) and as a personal trainer (big stretches, I know) and there were butts and politics in every job. Each one was tiring in it's own way and there was always venting by other staff/employees.
I drove a big truck cross country for a good while. Made top pay, benefits and loved it. However, still didn't make as much as I do in nursing. Have too admit though, I certainly did enjoy the alone time. Pts can be so annoying sometimes but without them, there's no job! LOL
Nurses don't make what they are worth. No direct pt care nurse does. But, as long as they can toss us aside when we become unhappy and hire another why should rates increase? It's the same with truckers. Of course the employer doesn't actually toss the employee aside but they do neglect retention and the unhappy employee will fade away. IT is the area that is REALLY bad. Hey, get a few gray hairs and they will tell you over and over "we are looking for a high energy person" what they really mane is we are looking for a young person. Don't hear that in nursing!
Jun 22, '04I don't think it has to be one or the other. I like caring for people and taking care of them, but in this area, nurses make very good money. If I just wanted to "care" for people and wasn't worried about the money, I'd just stay a CNA instead of going to school to be an RN. I'd like to take care of people and also be able to take care of my family.
Jun 22, '04Quote from 3rdShiftGuyEveryone should enjoy what they do for a living, not just nurses. But unfortunately, I find more of the opposite to be true. Many people dislike, hate, or are bored with their work. It is sad that we spend such a big chunk of our lives doing something that is unfulfilling or despicable to us.Excellent points. We are college grads and deserve our pay and we work very very hard. Would I work this hard for less money? No.
To be the devil's advocate, however, I don't like working with people who are in it ONLY for the money. Thank goodness there aren't many of them, and they are a smear on the profression. Am I making sense?
That said, nursing is now being advertised as this opportunity of a lifetime. An awful lot of people are going into nursing, or thinking about it, because they've been laid off recently, and are thinking of nursing only in terms of job stability. I suppose if you are out of work, and hungry, and in danger of losing your home, then working "just for the money" is not a bad idea. But many have absolutely no idea what nursing is really about, and enter it blindfolded. As a result, I've been hearing that there is a large drop-out rate in many nursing programs.
While the "calling" concept of nursing gives me the creeps (that goes with self-sacrificing martyr), nevertheless, going into nursing is just not the same as switching from IT to law, or law to accounting, or accounting to teaching. This is an entirely different realm, and not everyone can handle it. Some people make it through school and are absolutely miserable--not even because of all of the negatives they may face, but just from the work itself. But they may stick with hospital nursing anyway, because it pays better than other areas.
The best combination is to do what you love and be well paid. In lieu of that, even though not every nurse loves nursing, the pay for nursing should be equal to comparable professions. And not to get off on this topic, but that is why I believe that nursing should have a BSN minimum, just like all other healthcare professions. Nurses also need better defined job descriptions--like, if you're willing to mop the floor and pull the trash, well, the hospital will pay you as such. A physical therapist, as an example, generally needs a MS degree now to practice. They have a well defined job, no one expects them to pull the linens and trash at the end of the shift, or to stock the supply cabinet. They are also paid better than nurses.
Nursing needs to do the same. Set a standard minimum of education, one standard. Have a clearly defined, professional job description. And demand to be paid for it. I guarantee more nurses will not only work for the money, but begin to love jobs they may now hate, because professional elevation garners more respect and better treatment. If you want to work for love alone, then go do volunteer work. Become a missionary or enter a convent. But please don't keep trying to bring down the rest of nurses. Just because you care, doesn't mean you have to starve, or make do without a retirement fund, or be unable to save for your child's college education.
Anyway, the attitude needs to change. As long as nurses say, "But I love what I do, money isn't everything..." well, then what hospital on this planet is going to argue with you?Last edit by roxannekkb on Jun 22, '04
Jun 22, '04Quote from uk_nursesorry to hear that uk nurse...maybe you need to move to the us...the pay is great here...my wife is a 22yr old rn here in tx. and has been a nurse for a little over a year and is already making 52k a year. and she only works six days out of every 2 weeks. and i say again she has just started..she is going for her masters next fall. so ..i would have to disagree with you on the area of pay.....$52,000 anually for a 22yr old female is not bad money. the average income per capita here in the city that we live in is somthing like 21k a year and we live in a very large city...about 2 million in population...so yes i belive nurses are well compensated here. and the advanced practicing nurses here(msn) are making a little over 75k a year, so for about 2 more yrs of school almost a $25k return+more with experience..count me in!i dont think many nurses are in it for the cash..........pay is dreadful especially here in the uk. it is most definately not easy money i asure you.
"it's never to late to be what you might have been"Last edit by FNP2B on Jun 22, '04
Jun 22, '04I am switching from Counseling to Nursing. Obviously I do love helping people and "making a difference". I want to enter a helping profession, counseling just isn't my niche. I find it too slow paced and too often I believe people just don't want to help themselves....... If i'm not busy, I'm not happy --- listening to someone go on and on about their "angry child" when in reality the child is just a brat who needs discipline simply isn't for me. My MIL is a nurse and inspired me to go into the field.
Jun 22, '04(I've had a few days to think about this): To be rigorously honest, I admit I went into nursing for the money and the job security. When I first started college, back in 1964, I was a music ed major, because I lived, ate, and breathed music. However, after hearing of several fellow music ed majors being laid off from their $15,000.00 a year jobs teaching junior high band (we didn't call it middle school back then) in small towns nobody heard of, and probably still haven't, I figured I'd be practical and go for something that paid more, offered more job security, and was held in higher esteem by the average citizen. If it was purely for "the love of the game", I would have volunteered. :wink2:
Jun 22, '04i just graduated in may and take my nclex-rn on the first...and i have to say that i didn't know how much rns really got paid until i actually got into school. i went into nursing simply because i love people, i love making a difference, and i was laid off from my management position of 4 years and wanted something that would give me lots of stability.
i once said in clinicals at the hospital that even if i got paid $5.00 an hour i would still be a nurse and i got the evil eye and lots of evil words from the nurses around me who said i was the problem with nursing today...anyway...my point was i enjoy nursing for what it means to me, a chance to make a difference in this cruel, cruel world...
Jun 22, '04Caring or the cash? For me, both, and I won't hesitate to say it.
I have wanted to be a nurse since I was a little girl - I used to plaster the other kids in Band-aids, "take their temperature" (used a LOT of Pixie Stix!), and give them "medicine" (in the form of M & Ms). I have always felt 100% alive when I am doing something to care for others, particularly if it's hands-on. Being around people energizes me, at least in spirit even if my body is wasting away! And I can't stand 8-5 desk jobs - I get restless and bored, even if I'm up to my eyeballs in work.
The money is very appealing, though. I've never earned more than $11 an hour at anything (except singing gigs, and those just were too few and far between!) even with a bachelors degree already under my belt. The prospect of making $20/hr as a new grad is dizzying, I'll admit. So, yes, I am going in it for the money, too, but it's not my primary reason. It's up there, but not #1.
I don't fault anyone for having money as their primary reason for going into nursing, though. You have to survive, and at least around here, nursing is a steady, good income with the ultimate job security. When you're a single mom with little ones at home and you're trying to give them the best life you can because you love them more than you ever thought possible for a human being, you HAVE to think of money. To me, that's incredible caring. I'm sure there are people who think nursing will let them spend more at the mall and that's the ONLY reason they're doing it... but those people will likely never make it through nursing school or even a year in the field.