are they just waiting for an assault??!?

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this may come across as mindless venting but it really isnt......

I work on a med surg unit that of course gets many patients of the non med surg variety, I have come to accept this but right now myself and my fellow nurses are dealing with something impossible.

patient has a major psych history , on a combination of all kinds of antipsychotics etc nothing working , he is also a COPD'er , which is why he was first admitted to our floor,okay I understand that but now the psych thing is the more pressing of the two issues. Honestly medically we are doing NOTHING for this patient,he refuses all treatments and meds and even vital sign assessments, MD covering him medically has seemingly given up after taking social works advice and discharging him home months ago only for him to have beat the heck out of his wife and return the next day to us......

I have had this patient for months now, social work says they are trying to place him and all of that but why do the poor nurses have to suffer with this? I usually am assigned to this patient because people are delusional enough to think I can handle him for some reason...thats fine but last night he wasnt even my patient and he was following me around and he threw hot soup at his sitter and a full pitcher of water at me.... which of course it soaked me thru and thru, this patients decline has been so obvious to everyone in the allied health that I cannot figure why psych wont take him. They claim its because he is MRSA positive but they have private rooms and have taken isolation psych patients from mental institutions before.....I brought up my concerns (I'll admit that I am now afraid of this patient) to the incharge RN who apparently relayed it to our new U/A .....nothing was dealt with and I'm annoyed because they have me taking care of him all next week. I have tried to explain that I feel he is focused on me and that his violent outbursts have become worse- uncontrollable even - and none of our other medically sick patients are getting any rest at nights because of this one person.

I feel like everyone is waiting for this guy to hurt someone and knowing my luck since I seem to have him as my patient all the time, it will probably be me........

I dont know what to do, I completely dont want to go to work - and that bothers me cuz I usually dont feel this way....

Your guy is out of control and needs to be on the psych floor or transferred to the state hospital. Trust your gut and let the-powers-that-be know how difficult this is. If your immediate superior doesn't listen, contact the person above because that's your recourse here.

I suggest you take it directly to the top Wendy...this guy is a danger to you and everyone else. Definately trust your gut feelings.

If the pt is competent, you can call the police if your facility won't protect you - you are legally within your right to file assault charges.

Golly the people here are so smart! WENDY! Please, sing it from the rooftops that you will become report filing-happy if this guy doesn't go somewhere! I would think that if you have documented attempts to get somebody higher up to have him moved due to what a danger he is to the staff, and he does something to harm one of you.... well then, isn't the hospital just as liable to you as he is? I would hope they would see their potential liability and do the right thing.

You have to protect yourself Wendy! Ben Affleck doesn't want a girl that's face is all messed up from being beat up by a nut case! :D

Take care, and keep us posted!

Heather

Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER

You have to protect yourself Wendy! Ben Affleck doesn't want a girl that's face is all messed up from being beat up by a nut case! :D

LOL Heather!!!:chuckle

Hey Wendy, you're note under the pic--I'm guess that is a reference to the No Doubt song? I love the song.music341.gif

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he refuses all treatments and meds and even vital sign assessments, MD covering him medically has seemingly given up after taking social works advice and discharging him home months ago only for him to have beat the heck out of his wife and return the next day to us.

All of the above advice is great. Send letters to VP Nursing, Chief Administrator and HR about your UNSAFE, HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT! Document behaviour incidents and concerns re staff safety; patterns of pt behavior escalating. Inform PTB above that next incident, YOU ARE CALLING POLICE.

Pt does NOT belong on your floor. Hope you get help soon. NO person should be alone in a room with this out of control patient.

REinforce with staff need to STICK TOGETHER on this issue.

Being a rural hospital and with todays focus on community mental health care (least intervention necessary) we now have a 2 bed mental health suite on our medical floor:confused: Which means we find ourselves in your position too Wendy. We also have many dementia patients who can be mobile and aggressive. My commiserations to you, I know it can be very traumatic. It is truly not an appropriate place for this type of care.

Great advice from all here. Where I work we try to incident report as much as we can...it seems to change nothing but at least it is documented. Charting in the medical records is a must too. We now never ever hesitate to call the police in when our safety is threatened. You and others are being assaulted by this patient.

I agree with nurse ratched too...good point...why on earth do you keep getting this guy????? I would refuse to take him too.

Document and report everything he does to his doc and make out any sort of behavior incident reports...

There was a case that I knew of where the patient was taken off their mood altering med and they attacked the nurse. She sued the doc, the facility and I think even the patient was pulled into it.

trust me you get them in LTC too and for a very long time!

excellent advise from all! please follow it. As NRSKaren stated this is a law... hostile and unsafe work environment. Document as everyone stated using the terms "hostile and unsafe work environment" and demand action...

We had a patient climbing out the bed shouting "I'm gonna kick your a**" to her nurse. The nurse called security and was told this behavior from the patient was ILLEGAL and called a sheriff to take her statement. The sheriff than told the patient one more word and a warrent for her arrest would be issued. Shut her up quick.

Administration and the patient can't have it both ways.... If he's incompetent... he goes to psyc. when medically stable... If competent he faces the LAW..... PERIOD.

Might I add....when you get through with all this charting and documentation, be prepared to find another job.

Hospitals don't like nurses who protect themselves and their licenses, at least the one I worked at didn't!

You might as well start looking now.............:eek:

We had a 5 nurse "HALDOL PARTY" the other night w/a physically abusive, combative, confused patient.....sure did the trick. 4 to hold the pt. down and 1 to give the injection.

Can they do that w/his psych meds that he's refusing to take??? Chemical restraint anyone? Have the docs documented his psych behavior.....can they order what you need in order to deal w/him?

Anne

i assume case management is having a helluva time placing him somewhere, that's why you and the other poor nurses are still taking care of him. i say refuse the assignment. he tried to assault you once, that's reason enough. take an immuno-compromised patient and yell "can't put my compromised patient at risk with the mrsa going on" whatever you do, be carefull wendy! this man doesn't sound good at all

want me to come in with my street clothes on and throw soup at him? hahahaha....sweet...but just kidding.

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Wendy

, You do not have to put up with this crap' In Calif, we have a charge 243 penal code, assault and battery of a nurse, doctor, police officer in their line of work and it carries a higher penalty than a regular A+B. You need to document, document, document, file police charges, THEN see what your supervisors have to say. If this kook attacked his wife, he should be in a jail cell, or infirmary of a jail, certainly not a gen floor if a hiospital without police guards. BUT

Be smart, refuse and get another job-someone forgot to tell your hospital that there's a nursing shortage, You can work where they will actually protect you 9and the hospital ) from a suit, hostile work environment, criminal neglect, etc. Good luck and let us know what happens.:confused:

I think you need to discuss this with more than the charge nurse, talk to the NM and attending MD, if they say they are unable to move the patient or provide protection until they can D/C him. Call ONA (if your hospital's in the bargaining unit) and speak to the legal advisor.

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Happeewendy.......CALL THE POLICE to come to the unit where you work. Tell them you would like to file assault charges against the patient as well as file charges against all those in line of being able to help you, but have refused thus far for putting you, other staff, and other patients in harms way. I bet they will MOOOOOVVVVVEEE the patient then......they won't like having the city cops on the unit as they stand at the nurses station and fill out those reports from you. Trust me.....it WILL work like a charm. :kiss

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