Are CNA's considered "Nurses"? - page 4
I am a new nurse but was a CNA for 15 years before going to school. I was never referred to as a nurse when I was a CNA. I recently went to work in a Doc office where the CNA refers to herself as a... Read More
May 25, '04Quote from happystudentYou can' t be serious! So, basically anyone who is not an RN is beneath you?
Wow, your attitude seems as though you've never worked in a busy hospital or nursing home. Or maybe you have.
I would love to see how well you handle 7 pts that need total care, assessments and meds all by your lonesome........
Your arguement DOESN'T FLY with me............... but thats MY OPINION.. Just like you have your own......
(tryin' to understand your theory :uhoh21: )
TO THE OP:
Maybe you should ask the doc for a clarification of her role.
this has nothing to do with the post but, you are a cutie!
May 25, '04This kind of drove me nuts at my doctor's office. There was an MA who passed herself off an an RN. She was always referred to as Dr. Soandso's nurse. She wasn't even a CNA and she didn't make one attempt to correct them. I mean, she was really great and all, my doc could function w/o her (my doc said that herself ), but I don't think it was right for an MA to be passing herself off as a nurse.
No, I'm not saying that MA's are a lesser form of anything. This gal was so good, that everyone just assumed that she was a nurse.
May 25, '04OK maybe i am way off here, but what about MA's they work in the same capacity as a nurse....in an office! before becoming a nurse thats what i did as well as working for a lab.....my role in the dr's office didnt change. just wanted to throw that out there. and as for the CNA saying she is a nurse well ok dont do that....but, some state like the one i live in an work next too, they have CNA's passing meds and doing charts and yes even the narcotics! they take a class so that can be kinda confusing for pt's espically the older population. i'm not making excuses for her just saying that sometimes the little old ladies just dont get it......
May 25, '04i guess what i don't understand is why don't you just say what you are? if you're an ma, then state you're an ma. it doesn't take away from one's abilities but it's just totally wrong to say you're a nurse when you are not licensed to be one.
May 25, '04Quote from EnjonelActually no, the CNA is really superior to me in the eyes of the management there. They consult her on all nursing questions without giving me a second thought.I don't think the BON recognizes practicing under someone else's license Good heavens, if they did, we might all be doing it! I know I would have preferred not to have to pay for nursing school!
She is not a nurse and should not be doing nursing duties... to me, that is like me getting a surgeon to show me how to remove a gall bladder, then I can do it under his license, and tell the patients to call me Doctor....
I encourage you to explore your options on this...I also would be wondering what the legal ramifications were for me working in this office, knowing this CNA is practicing outside the scope of her certification. You're the nurse... are you liable for her mistakes since you know she is practicing outside her certification? Are you considered in any way her "supervisor"? I think you are in dangerous legal waters...
May 25, '04Quote from SmilingBluEyesWe talked about this issue pretty extensively in a class I took. The belief that nursing students practice under their instructors license is a big misconception. Only the person who is awarded the license may practice on it. Nursing students work under an exception to the nursing practice act, meaning they are allowed to practice without a license, at least while they are in school. Students are held accountable for everything they do, that's why so many schools require their students to purchase liability insurance.students practice under their INSTRUCTORS' licenses all the time. And RN's supervise these people, so by this virtue, some are "acting under the umbrella" of THEIR licensure, as well. But this does not make students or CNA's NURSES!!!! The State BON's have plenty to say on this.
There are several cases where students have been sued for malpractice and lost, because they didn't do what they should have. It wasn't the instructor's fault or the floor nurse's, it was the student and they were held accountable!
May 25, '04Quote from LPN2Be2004i have to agree there. there is plenty of room for all the "wannabes". i can't believe someone said that. i worked my but off for my lvn license and it gave me the basis for what i know as an rn. i believe every one should start as low man on the totem pole from a pca tech then lvn then rn then everyone would be equal at some point.Hate to burst your one-dimensional bubble, but an LPN is a nurse, that's kinda what the N stands for. And being an LPN does not make me some sort of "poorly prepared wanna be". I took the course i took because it offered way more classroom time, and almost 3 times the clinical time, plus a lot of my classes will transfer to whereever i choose to go to school next.
And unless you want to pay for all the Licensed Practical Nurses to go back to school for further education, then you're going to have to get used to it. Licensed Practical Nurses are needed and they are valuable. They may not be able to work everywhere, but if they are happy with where they are, more power to them.
As for "respect" (ironic that you used that word after being so insulting), it makes it way more difficult to earn the respect when someone already has the mentality that you're the dirt beneath their feet all because you're not an RN. But then again, if someone is that insulting to those who do not have the same nursing education, does it REALLY matter whether i'd get their respect, since they hold me in such little regard for being a CNA and then an LPN. Is it worth it fighting for the respect as a "poorly prepared wanna be"? No it's not. Life's too short to waste on supposedly 'fellow' nurses who are so disrespectful to others in healthcare.
May 25, '04I think what amazes me the most is how some people have this mentality that "this should be the educational requirement for this" or whatever, and how IRONIC that it ALSO happens to be the SAME education that THEY have!!! lol
May 25, '04Quote from LPN2Be2004well it would definately put out some of the "I am the RN and i know more than you" when you wouldn't want that person taking care of you or your family. cna's are not nurses and should not introduce themselves as one. all nurses go to school for extensive education, i am not saying cnas don't i am just saying they should introduce themselves as who they are. you earned the title of cna be proud of it, the nurses are proud of thiers.I think what amazes me the most is how some people have this mentality that "this should be the educational requirement for this" or whatever, and how IRONIC that it ALSO happens to be the SAME education that THEY have!!! lol
May 25, '04I'm just proud of any education i've received. It's just sad when people don't see any education as being important unless it equates to theirs.
May 25, '04Quote from LPN2Be2004well i'm not comparing anything to mine. i truly believe you use what you learn while your doing it. some people don't learn that way. Some RNs who graduate a 4 yr college do not recieve as much clinical experience as the adn programs. if i could do what i am doing now without having had to go to school then i would definately do it. but that is the way i learn. but people also have to remember that not every one comes out of school knowing what they need to, to take care of thier patients safely. and we also need to remember we were there at some point.I'm just proud of any education i've received. It's just sad when people don't see any education as being important unless it equates to theirs.
May 25, '04Quote from LPN2Be2004Sounds like I exposed a raw nerve, eh? Well, just keep studying, get your RN, maybe an MSN, and let me know how you feel then...bottom line...there is no longer room in health care today for minimally prepared providers. An RN should be the bare minimum for nursing practice, and all titles referring to a nurse less than an RN should be eliminated. Ancillary staff, preferably, would be EMT's or Paramedics, who come prepared with a broad, and expansive set of skills, most usefull IN the hospital setting. Lastly, attack the message, not the messenger, hon...I think what amazes me the most is how some people have this mentality that "this should be the educational requirement for this" or whatever, and how IRONIC that it ALSO happens to be the SAME education that THEY have!!! lol