Another organ dilemma so soon.... - page 5

Convicted killer's transplant sparks ethical debate Many argue inmate is not entitled to donated liver YORK, Neb., Feb. 28- Farmer Calvin Stock's life was saved by a liver transplant three... Read More

  1. by   sunnygirl272
    Originally posted by ktwlpn
    ...As for drug addicts and alcoholics I believe that If they can kick there habits for a pre-determined length of time then they should be able to qualify for a transplant-If they drink or drug themselves to death's door and won't live through that period of sobriety-then they should not be eligible for a transplant....These are just some of my ideas for fixing the system-when I have had a glass or 2 of wine I HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS!
    on this note...i remind people again that even if this woman were freed from prison after her transplant (HYPOTHETICALLY!!!!!!!!) although she has been sober for 20 yrs...she has been in the pen for those 20 yrs....i'm gonna go crack open a bottle of Riesling and see if i can help ya solve the ills of the world....:chuckle
  2. by   ktwlpn
    Originally posted by sunnygirl272
    on this note...i remind people again that even if this woman were freed from prison after her transplant (HYPOTHETICALLY!!!!!!!!) although she has been sober for 20 yrs...she has been in the pen for those 20 yrs....i'm gonna go crack open a bottle of Riesling and see if i can help ya solve the ills of the world....:chuckle
    Good place to kick-although my cousin the prison guard says they make hootch out of every piece of kitchen scrap they can get their hands on...Any way-in my world-a prisoner would not qualify any way...My rule applies to civilians.... If you drink that whole bottle you'll be able to go straighten out that mess in Iraq-If I had a few pitchers of margaritas I could set North Korea back on track.... ;>)
  3. by   fab4fan
    North Korea...fear ktwlpn...LOL!

    Now, if someone can stay clean for 20y after he gets out of the pokey, then that will be something!
  4. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by ktwlpn
    First point-this woman is in prison with a life sentence which as I have stated -IMHO-really should mean LIFE and does not....Secondly-we are not talking about someone whom has paid her debt to society-she is still in there and unless she gets parole will stay there...Third-if we want to cloud the issue further and talk about the innocents wrongly imprisoned let's look at the other side of the coin -I'll just have to say....O.J. Simpson...Our system is not perfect-but we have to accept it as it is until we can get it changed...As for drug addicts and alcoholics I believe that If they can kick there habits for a pre-determined length of time then they should be able to qualify for a transplant-If they drink or drug themselves to death's door and won't live through that period of sobriety-then they should not be eligible for a transplant....These are just some of my ideas for fixing the system-when I have had a glass or 2 of wine I HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS!
    Number one:

    I referred to the possibiliy of someone being innocent ..though convicted...to the post stating that prisoners should not listed last on a donors list or just not get a transplant period:


    Mimi Wheeze
    Senior Member

    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: Indiana
    Posts: 106
    Post #7

    I think your father should get a liver if he needed one! However, if he was a convicted felon I may think otherwise.

    I have always been "pro-donor" but if crap like this goes on, I may change my mind. Prisoners should be last on the donor list, period
    emily's_mom -
    If they're out of prison and rehabilitated, fine. But, personally, I don't want my tax dollars going for this when they're still in prison.

    But some of the posts stated ..I think that they weren't in favor of prisoners getting transplants. That was the reason for my post above.

    As a taxpayer I have a problem with some of things we allow prisoners to get away with. But I just see keeping them from a transplant, as not being one of those things I object to. Except for those on death row that is...who have admitted their crimes and or there is no doubt they did it.

    I don't think we should assess their penalty as being 5yrs and then say to them...well it's five years, only if you don't happen to need a transplant during those five years.
    But yes I beleive that 20yrs and or life...should mean just that! I believe it cheapened the judical process when the sentences that offenders get...isn't even close to what they actually serve.
  5. by   ktwlpn
    [i]Originally posted by



    But yes I beleive that 20yrs and or life...should mean just that! I believe it cheapened the judical process when the sentences that offenders get...isn't even close to what they actually serve. [/B]
    Yepper.... But let me ask-a prisoner serving a 10 or 15 yr sentence-what kind of medical care should they be entitled to? Better then what medical assistance provides? Making someone in that position eligible for a transplant is saying just that-and when their sentence is up what happens then? Hard to get a job with insurance these days and the transplant would be a pre-existing condition.So does the state continue to pay for the meds or do they just chalk that one up? This just goes on and on....Let me throw something else on the table-Who says prison is NICE? Our local county prison has cable TV for goodness sake-but the county run LTC does not.... Prison should be a punishment-not a vacation.I think that if you commit a crime and are serving time then you should be forfeiting things like medical care(other then basic palliative care) Got a toothache?-out it comes...No filling-no root canals-no caps...Just a cheap yank... Got a tumor?-here's some pain med....sorry about your luck....
  6. by   maureeno
    I hope those talking about not being organ donors because of a very few exceptional instances of 'unworthy' transplantations are only just venting and not serious.
  7. by   Brownms46
    I agree about the tooth and I agree about the cable. I also never thought about the fact that once the person gets out of prison. But I doubt...but maybe wrong here, that the prison would continue to pay for such care, after the sentence is completed. I also don't agree about the tumor. But at least we agree on a couple of points
  8. by   fab4fan
    Originally posted by maureeno
    I hope those talking about not being organ donors because of a very few exceptional instances of 'unworthy' transplantations are only just venting and not serious.
    Well, I am not an organ donor, and like I said do not expect to get an organ if I needed it. My reasons are not just because of who gets transplants, but they are my reasons, and just as valid as those of people who want to donate.
  9. by   l.rae
    Originally posted by fab4fan
    Well, I am not an organ donor, and like I said do not expect to get an organ if I needed it. My reasons are not just because of who gets transplants, but they are my reasons, and just as valid as those of people who want to donate.
    Fab4Fan...l am with you on this too.....the recent negative press has only served to reinforce my views against being a doner....primarily, my attitude has been greatly affected by some attitudes and statements of the staff of the organ donation society at large....l found them very distastful and offensive...LR
  10. by   psychonurse
    Most of the time, at least in our state...we give them medication for 1 month after they get out. Then they are on thier own, but of course the majority of them either go on welfare or the Oregon Health Plan which we pay for also. Very few of them get out and get a good job with insurance that pays for thier medications so all in all We the people of Oregon still pay for thier medications, just out of another part of the governments purse.
  11. by   fab4fan
    Originally posted by l.rae
    Fab4Fan...l am with you on this too.....the recent negative press has only served to reinforce my views against being a doner....primarily, my attitude has been greatly affected by some attitudes and statements of the staff of the organ donation society at large....l found them very distastful and offensive...LR
    Yep...my decision is also based on the behavior/attitudes of the people in charge of obtaining "donations." (hey, I'm gonna pm you more on this)
  12. by   maureeno
    I was hoping those who have already decided
    to be donors
    don't change their minds
    on account
    of a couple of controversial transplantations.....
  13. by   sbic56
    Originally posted by maureeno
    I was hoping those who have already decided
    to be donors
    don't change their minds
    on account
    of a couple of controversial transplantations.....
    My confidence in humanity insists those swayed from giving such a valuable gift, because of a few controversial transplants, are few. (Yes, I like these rose colored glasses, thank you!)

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