Another organ dilemma so soon.... - page 4

Convicted killer's transplant sparks ethical debate Many argue inmate is not entitled to donated liver YORK, Neb., Feb. 28- Farmer Calvin Stock's life was saved by a liver transplant three... Read More

  1. by   Brownms46
    Yes sbic ...that is old saying...but a very true one in my experience.

    And yes I have thought about who would be the one to make the decision, as who is more deserving of a transplant than another. Definitely won't keep many in that job for long. It's like the story of the old man, the young boy, and the donkey. No matter how they tried to please people....they ended up pleasing no one..not even themselves.
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Mar 2, '03
  2. by   nurseleigh
    Forgive my ignorance, but what is the story of the old man, the young boy, and the donkey?

    :uhoh21:

    Leigh
  3. by   Brownms46
    :chuckle you know after I wrote that I had a feeling someone would ask.

    The story goes like this:

    An old man and a young boy set out one day, with the old man riding the donkey.

    As they went along they came past some people who became anger, and shouted that the old man was wrong for letting the young boy walk.

    So the old man let the young boy ride the donkey. As they went along they came across more people who shouted that the young boy was wrong for letting the old man walk.

    So the old man and the young got on the donkey and they both rode. And they came upon another crowd of people who shouted at them because it was very hot outside...and they said to them, that they were wrong to burdened down the poor donkey with the weight of them both. So they both got off the donkey and walked.

    As they went along they came across more people, who started LOL to see the old man and young boy walking. They cried out ..."What a dumb pair"! "They have a perfectly good donkey, yet they are walking."

    So the moral of the story is...that no matter what you do...someone will see the wrong in it. Or you can never please everyone...no matter what you do
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Mar 2, '03
  4. by   Sleepyeyes
    I'm rescinding my organ donor card.
  5. by   Q.
    Originally posted by sbic56
    Being disected by students and then having the used parts incinerated is a better fate than becoming mere worm food.
    Yup. Which is why I'm going to be cremated.
  6. by   semstr
    So, in fact a few of you here, are putting this woman on the death row, by refusing her the needed organ, don't you?

    Since I am absolutely against the death- penalty and I find that, we are not the ones to judge over life or death, I would give this woman her needed organ. (when she is on the list, as everybody, who needs an organ should be)
  7. by   sunnygirl272
    Originally posted by Susy K
    If, by a stroke of luck or grace, he did, and remained sober for 20 years (as this heroin user did), I would think he should get a liver transplant if needed. Otherwise, what really is the point to rehabilitation?
    susy...she's sober for 20 yrs cuz she's been locked up for those 20 yrs....
  8. by   Q.
    Oh. Good point, Sunny.
  9. by   sbic56
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Yup. Which is why I'm going to be cremated.
    Oh, me too! It's a waste of real estate to do otherwise.
  10. by   night owl
    Before she is even put on the list, the Drs. said she had to lose 30 lbs and get her diabetes under control and she's giving herself until mid April to accomplish these goals. Drs told her to get busy and start doing what she's got to do or else she won't make it to see her liver come in. Eight laps around the prison courtyard 2x/day? If her liver is that damaged I would think she'd have SOB upon mere exertion. And will she ever get her diabetes under control with a damaged liver as bad as hers? Probably not.
    My guess is that she won't even make the list at this point.
    Having taxpayers foot the bill for prisoners who want transplants? It's a pitiful America isn't it?
    Her next parole hearing is in 2006...will she even make it?
    Last edit by night owl on Mar 2, '03
  11. by   Nurse Hag
    Well I for one would like to have Semstr come to nebraska and foot part of the bill for her getting this surgery. I do agree she probably will not make the changes to be put on the list but, on the off chance she does I do not want to pay for it or the follow up care. I feel my tax dollars can go for better things. I wish our Govenor would step in and say no but that would be like keeping up with issues in this state other than the ones he creates. STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!
  12. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by semstr
    So, in fact a few of you here, are putting this woman on the death row, by refusing her the needed organ, don't you?

    Since I am absolutely against the death- penalty and I find that, we are not the ones to judge over life or death, I would give this woman her needed organ. (when she is on the list, as everybody, who needs an organ should be)
    .....although I do no strongly believe in the death penalty, since I believe it should only be used in certain cases. I tend to believe this woman signed her own death warrant...by her own actions. I beleive if she really cared about living, she wouldn't have waited until the last minute to try, and correct the abuses she has done to her body...IMO
  13. by   ktwlpn
    Originally posted by Brownms46
    If they pay their debt to society..should they continue to be penalized for their crimes?
    There is also the notion that there have been those who have been sentenced and shouldn't have been. Let's assumed someone needs an organ who was convicted of a crime and it was decided because they committed this crime...they shouldn't recieve an organ. Then later when it is too late, it's decided they didn't commit the crime. Would it bother anyone that they missed out on getting an organ because they were a convicted criminal at the time?? And because of a flawed system they will now die because of it?
    First point-this woman is in prison with a life sentence which as I have stated -IMHO-really should mean LIFE and does not....Secondly-we are not talking about someone whom has paid her debt to society-she is still in there and unless she gets parole will stay there...Third-if we want to cloud the issue further and talk about the innocents wrongly imprisoned let's look at the other side of the coin -I'll just have to say....O.J. Simpson...Our system is not perfect-but we have to accept it as it is until we can get it changed...As for drug addicts and alcoholics I believe that If they can kick there habits for a pre-determined length of time then they should be able to qualify for a transplant-If they drink or drug themselves to death's door and won't live through that period of sobriety-then they should not be eligible for a transplant....These are just some of my ideas for fixing the system-when I have had a glass or 2 of wine I HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS!
    Last edit by ktwlpn on Mar 2, '03

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