An Over-population of nurses? - page 2

Hello, does any one think that there is any chance that since students are being pushed towards nursing, because they rae told what a great profession it is, what great benefits you have, and that... Read More

  1. by   SmilingBluEyes
    ROXANNE excellent post. I too think there is a "plot" of sorts, to bring in international nurses at a cheaper rate by hospitals. And it's happening right under many of our noses. It's really scary.
  2. by   Dayray
    I think the market could change but not becuase allot of ppl want to be nurses. I started school 10 years ago and back then 800 out of 1300 students entering were working on the prereques for nursing . When I went back 2 years ago it was the same thing. If you ask most of those in prereqs why they are going into nursing you'll see why most dont make it all the way. you hear stuff like "becuase nurses make big $$ and the work is easy" or " I want to save the world" or "well I really want to go into (insert silly dream here) and I think nursing would help me get there".

    I have a hard time being nice to ppl that say they want to be a nurse but really have no idea about the profession. I know I know I was there once too but they are ao silly.

    anyway I think the real threat to nursing employability is all the losening of BoN's rules. It hasent happend here yet but every year there is some dumb ass trying to get a rule allowing hospitals to pull people off the street give them a short training and then slap an RN badge on them. This past year the guy doing it wasent even involved in health care he was just some rich man with lotsa stock in healthcare companies. Its scary but we all have to keep an eye out and keep it from happening.
  3. by   4loveoflife
    My approach on the subject, as a pre clinical student.... go into nursing because you enjoy nursing and try to avoid all other reasoning along the lines of an over population. If you enjoy your chosen profession, you will not need to worry.
  4. by   salvati08
    WOW. there have been a lot of very diverse replies to my question. Well, thank you to everyone and this has definetly gave me some things to think about!
  5. by   Genista
    Debi (student deb)-
    I sent you a pm reply to the questions.



    ~kona
  6. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    ROXANNE excellent post. I too think there is a "plot" of sorts, to bring in international nurses at a cheaper rate by hospitals. And it's happening right under many of our noses. It's really scary.
    We got several Filopino nurses just starting. They are going to ease our dependency on high priced agency nurses. But you got me curious. I wonder how I can discretely ask them if their rate of pay. I think they are getting new grad pay, which is what they are, new grads.

    We have a traveler from Austrailia who told the story of her agency and how they signed a contract for $20.00 an hour, which was way below the rate for experienced nurses in Sacramento which was where her assignment was. It was a very long contract. She was thinking that in Austrailian terms she was getting a good deal, but didn't know the rates for nurses at that hospital and in the area in general was so much higher.

    So I'm sure you're right.
    Last edit by Tweety on Jul 22, '03
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I don't like abuse or people being used, and I feel that is a great possiblity with the import of international nurses by our hospitals. It's a situation that bears watching and I won't put it past them ....
  8. by   roxannekkb
    There have been numerous stories in the news about foreign nurses and how they have been taken advantage of. And its not just a recent thing. At a hospital i worked at in LA during the late 80s, there was a Danish nurse there, and she was being paid less, and being given all kinds of s***t. But they were dangling the promise of a green card over her head, plus if she quit at that time she'd lose her visa.

    There is all kinds of stuff going on. A lot of nurses are so happy to be here and hope to stay, that they willingly sign on to these long contracts and then they are at the mercy of the hospital. If they quit, then back they go. Plus, in some cases, they may even owe the agency money if they don't stick it out.

    You really have to wonder about this. Hospitals are spending $10,000 a head to recruit nurses from India. Wouldn't that money be better spent on retaining their staff, and improving working conditions so they wouldn't have a staffing problem in the first place? There are enough American nurses to fill every position. The question is--do hospitals want American nurses?
  9. by   jnette
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    I don't like abuse or people being used, and I feel that is a great possiblity with the import of international nurses by our hospitals. It's a situation that bears watching and I won't put it past them ....
    Shew ! What if "they" had it planned ALL ALONG ? As in for many, many years already? Make it harder and harder for us... more for less, more with less, just to really get us up in arms and ready to quit...

    and all the time moving ever so quietly toward their secret goal... get rid of us (who are arrogant, demanding, and have the unabashed audacity to ask to be respected!) while having their plan in place to slip in the foreign workers just as quick as we move out ... they might already have them on waiting lists by the thousands ! And pay them just one third of what they were paying us ! Well,.... maybe half... well,.. maybe not !
    Remains to be seen.

    Thanx, Deb ! Now I get to dwell on THIS lovely little thought awhile...

  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    sorry jnette---it's been on my mind a LONG time---

    at least since my first year in nursing. And it is worrisome, indeed. I am surprised more don't see this for what it is and raise some flags and get upset.
  11. by   mother/babyRN
    There is a shortage of nurses who desire to do patient care because, largely, the way we are treated and not respected as well as nursing's push to shove everyone into degree status..Many of those people wish to work in management or ancillary positions not connected with direct patient care. That is too bad, because direct patient care is where the most "nursing" is needed.....How ironic that in the old days I was happy to hear that people intended to go into nursing. Now a days when someone tells me that, I have to fight the urge to tell them not to...
  12. by   live4today
    Amen Deb, jnette, and mother/babyRN to everything you wrote! I'm in complete agreement with all three of you here. I'm seeing less American medical and nursing staff where I work, and more foreign staff. Makes me think sometimes I work in a foreign country and not in my birthplace at all.
  13. by   jnette
    I'm all for giving other nationalities a shot at nursing here, at education, and all the rest. I love interacting with those of different backgrounds and cultures, and am thrilled when they are able to improve their lot in life.

    What I DON'T like, and am afraid of.. is the "replacement" of us by "them". Not due to THEIR doing, but by our OWN good old fashioned American greed and lust after the almighty buck. That our OWN hospitals and corporations will sell us out... replace us with lower cost "labor" as they have in so many other workplaces already in the past couple decades.

    Yes, this IS scary to me. I surely don't blame others for wanting to come here and work, but I DO blame our own gov't. and/or major hospitals/corporations for allowing the "tradeoff" to line their own pockets.

    I truly fear if things continue this way we might be facing a new revolution in this country. Ppl will only take so much.

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