A philosphical question bound to regress to name-calling and flames - page 3

Here's a discussion for you -- and bear in mind this does not reflect any particular personal belief: Does health care in general do any good for our species? By saving people from horrible... Read More

  1. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by sbic56
    I think emily is right in that the richest get the best care. That will moreso prove itself once we have the ability to genetically alter DNA so that disease and undesirable traits are removed before conception. At that point, those who are engineered to be totally unafflicted before they are even born would probably think that these developments are great for them...but as to whether that will be good for the species as a whole? That is the question!
    Exactly right. How do we know that the DNA or genes that we feel are "undesirable" was an alteration or design by nature for a specific purpose we don't have knowledge of? Just a thought....
  2. by   sbic56
    Exactly right. How do we know that the DNA or genes that we feel are "undesirable" was an alteration or design by nature for a specific purpose we don't have knowledge of? Just a thought....
    I was referring to the fact that those less able to afford immortality would be negatively affected by such "progress", but your line of thought is also intruging...
  3. by   emily_mom
    Anne,

    How common is that though? We have WIC and BadgerCare and all that other stuff, but I was more talking about those that don't qualify for healthcare b/c they make too much and don't have benefits at their job. They are the ones hurting more than the poor. I should have been clearer. Sorry.

    We have no free things around here. You have to be homeless to get any free care. The only free clinic here serves the homeless.

    Kristy
  4. by   kelligrl
    It's also a matter of location: a lot of time really good care can be found for those without insurance, but usually that's in larger towns and cities where for obvious reasons there will be a larger population of uninsured. I'm not sure where you are at Kristy, but I know in several of the smaller towns I've lived in there were no free clinics or anything of that sort either.

    Vegas--that's a scary freakin' thought. We could just erase something (a trait etc) that had occured for a reason.... Never even thought of that angle...Yet another reason why there's some shyt we just shouldn't mess with. :stone
  5. by   sjoe
    Kristy--you forgot the one and only population in the US which the US Supreme Court says is legally entitled to health care--those in custody (jails, prisons, and elsewhere so long as it is against their will).

    Your tax dollars at work.
  6. by   emily_mom
    Yes, I'm glad I pay taxes so that the local prisoners can have cable TV and 24 hr nursing care. They should be required to pay premiums just like we do...stamp out a couple thousand license plates for a checkup?

    I live in the boonies in central WI. We have a lot of farm families that have no insurance d/t the govt's crappy milk pricing. We pay up the wazoo for our insurance, and it sucks. Right now, I'm sitting on over 2 grand in bills. Sure hope they like 50 bucks a month for the rest of my life! Can't wait to get done with school so that I can afford some decent health insurance. I hate being poor but too rich to get Badgercare.
  7. by   legsmalone
    Originally posted by canoehead
    [B]I don't think universal healthcare is a right, but I think it would be barbaric not to offer universal pain control, not matter what.

    /B]
    I agree wholeheartedly canoe, I helped a friend during the time she had her grandmother home on hospice with day to day life. As the end neared, I came and sat with her, her kids and her mother and watched as this wonderful woman was able to pass from this world to the next without pain or suffering. It saddens me so when nurses I work with in the hospital are afraid to give terminal patients pain medicine "because they may die." I hope that one day, no one will have qualms about eliminating pain in anyone...
  8. by   ohbet
    Hey mattcastens,are you a disciple of Friedrich Nietzsche?
  9. by   abrenrn
    I have been lucky to live in cities with large enough populations that the poor generally get something. Sadly, the health department with the great staff and best care stopped offering sliding scale with the start of Healthy Kids. Most parents signed up for private docs, now get the same rushed, no need to take your clothes off care.

    Low cost places tend to get people who are doing health care for a reason other than money.

    As to prisons, I worked in one for a while, it is a dilemna. However, state takes responsibility for maintaining person for however long, must provide basic health care. And that is all they provide. Yes, better than outside. In Florida, they charge four dollars a visit. Note, when one inmate said, "Well, while I'm here you might as well take care of my messed up hand." How long messed up, I asked? Oh, years. Well another year won't make a difference, forget it. Diabetes, htn, time makes a difference, have to treat.

    They aren't coddled. But anyone who thinks they are and would like to be themselves - not too difficult to commit a crime. Having seen how they coddle them in Florida, I'm more law abiding than ever.
  10. by   Vsummer1
    Posting in order to return later... umm... Friday night and all.
  11. by   sanakruz
    I do believe health care is a right. Donmurray is correct is adding education to that list also. These things are fundamental.

    We should do all we can possible do to save someones life. It does not necessarily follow that we should do all we can to prolong someones life.
    I was disturbed by an article I read on this board along the line that a certain state would like to bring charges against the caregivers of nursing home residents that die, and that all these unfortunate beings should be autopsied after the coroner is called in. If I was so far advanced with some type of dementia that I could not/would not eat I think shoving an NG tube into my face and force feeding me would be cruel and absurd. And if this did for some reason oddly enough happens to me or mine, I would like to believe the individuals inflicting this upon me were doing so in some (misguided) attempt to help me and not because the government compels them to do so, fearing prosecution.

    I have no objection to my tax dollars assisting incarcerated miscreants,pregnant teens or HIV+ illegal aliens. I much prefer that to helping McDonalds Corp. advertise hamburgers in Minsk
  12. by   semstr
    Donmurray, hear, hear!!
    Don't get me started on this theme, about "what life is liveable and what not" , we'll still be discussing (and probably flaming and everything) in ten years time.
    Take care, Renee
  13. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    After reading all this, I think I am just going to go play golf. ahh what the hell.
    Just remember in 100 years who is going to care one way or another

    doo wah ditty

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