A Lesson Learned - page 7

Again, there is another thread started- which could be interpreted by some as passive-aggressive remarks about advanced degree nurses, and it could not. I read it and felt slightly insulted, and I... Read More

  1. by   RNPD
    "1. Are there any ADN, ASN or Diploma Nurses that think RN's should have thier BSN to practice as a RN? "-Huganurse

    Yes, I have stated many times on this board that I think a BSN should be the minimum for entry into RN nursing practice. I am an ADN with no plans at the present to obtain a BSN.
  2. by   RNPD
    "....feel free to pm me, and I will send you quotes and threads....and there are MOUNTAINS of them....from this VERY bb where nurses make disparaging comments about BSN nurses and their COMPETENCE simply because of their degree."- Shay


    And the WORST offender I have seen is none other then the one who recently started all these arguments, 'Greyt'Nurse herself.

    Please do a search and count how many helpful or kind posts she has made. Then count the ones that out and out BASH BSNs in particular and RNs in general. I think you will be shocked, as I was, at the amount of venom exhibited in her postings. She must be a sad, insecure, and sorry individual to get off on talking about other people, especially colleagues, that way. And she is the most vocal about demanding respect and how we are all in it for one goal, when all she gives is disrespect-and 9 times out of ten it is unprovoked except by the chip on her own shoulder.

    Moderators-are you reading this?
  3. by   Huganurse
    No offense taken. I hope you read my entire post to see that I don't have a problem with any nurse. My post generated exactly the answers that I think others need to hear. I want to thank you and say that I agree too. Thank you!
  4. by   Q.
    It still continues. I am SICK of the PERSONAL ATTACKS!!!!!
    People, LEARN how to debate! If you are threatened by something, so be it! But if someone disagrees with you - take it like an adult! Don't INSULT people and QUIT with the BSN put downs! ENOUGH!!!
  5. by   Huganurse
    Suzy K quote, "It still continues. I am SICK of the PERSONAL ATTACKS!!!!!
    People, LEARN how to debate! If you are threatened by something, so be it! But if someone disagrees with you - take it like an adult! Don't INSULT people and QUIT with the BSN put downs! ENOUGH!!!"
    What are you talking about?? I read all the posts on this thread since your last post and I fail to find anything close to what you are accusing. The last few posts here have been productive and supportive of all nurses. The threads do take on a life of their own and turn in different directions than the original post, but is that not OK? Why are you so angry??? I understand why you would be angry at bashing and insults toward BSN's, but all I see is a bunch of nurses trying to figure this whole thing out... to lead to the end of finding a possible solution or atleast understanding of why nurses do not respect each other for who and what they are.
  6. by   CATHYW
    i just do not get it!?! we all have to go to accredited schools, take the same standardized tests (lpn/lvn), and rn to be licensed, so whaaat is the big deal?
    i have worked with lpn's, rn's, bsn's, and charge nurses so much younger than me they could have been one of my children. did i put them down? no way. i believe that everyone brings something to the table (of life) that we can learn from. even though our educations and testing are basically standardized, we are influenced by our instructor/professors and their knowledge and life experiences. we all know that medicine is not an exact science, so whatever one nurse may have experienced with a patient, the next nurse with a patient with the same diagnosis may experience something totally different. i think that is one of the intriguing things about this profession-you never quit learning! of course, if you do, you then become a danger to others.
    i began life as a lpn-worked doctor's office, critical care/telemetry/icu stepdown. did that for 4 years, and bridged into a rn program. have had my adn for 15 years. if i could get the financing, i would go back for the msn/np. there are a few schools around that do that. my daughter-in-law is a fnp, working on her phd in nursing. do i feel inferior to her? certainly not! does she try to lord it over me? rarely, and then i have to forgive her, because she is young, and doesn't know better, sometimes.:stone
    mario, i am so proud of you! you mentioned being a caring person, and that is absolutely what it takes to be the best kind of nurse. without heart, you are just a "technical nurse" who has the knowledge, but not the drive to help folks. also, be careful of those white scrubs you've got. peroxide will take out bloodstains, and hairspray will take out ball-point ink stains.
    you will probably discover the value of darker colors, and prints.:d you go, dude! i don't think there are enough male nurses in the profession!
    enough said-we can get long-winded sometimes. as several others have said, i do not care what initials are behind your name. if you represent yourself as anurse, then you'd darned-well better be prepared to walk, talk, and act like one, and a good one! that is the least we can do for our patients, and each other.
  7. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Huganurse
    What are you talking about?? I read all the posts on this thread since your last post and I fail to find anything close to what you are accusing. The last few posts here have been productive and supportive of all nurses. The threads do take on a life of their own and turn in different directions than the original post, but is that not OK? Why are you so angry??? I understand why you would be angry at bashing and insults toward BSN's, but all I see is a bunch of nurses trying to figure this whole thing out... to lead to the end of finding a possible solution or atleast understanding of why nurses do not respect each other for who and what they are.
    Ohhh geez. :imbar

    The above post was in response to the Minimum Entry for Nursing thread - I had posted a couple thinks stating that other professions require a BS, and I was slammed for that and accused of using bulldozing techniques and was told that BSNs should get speaking classes. That's why I was upset. Despite this thread - people still attack me about the BSN.

    That's what I meant. Sorry if I didn't come across the best. :imbar
  8. by   RNFROG3
    suzy k-it sounds as if you have a right to be bitter.I'm thankfully I haven't been run down every job I've been at. Sure there are a few difficult people everywhere but I've found support too. I am proud of my degree. I'm the first college grad on my mom's side of the family. I think the problem lies in that there are some who make it harder on the rest of us. When I first started on the med-surg floor here in Indy and they found I was an RN, BSN the techs and LPN's said things like oh another chairside nurse.Meaning i would make them respond to all lights, med requests, etc that I was only there to do the paperwork. Well that is a part of my job that noone else can do, but I dispelled their comments by being a hard worker,pitching in to do the yukky stuff, and not passing work on to someone else if I was doing nothing(admittedly that is a rare moment). I feel I am respected as a nurse, co-worker, and mentor to those I work with because I am a BSN grad and because they see the fruit of labor. Unfortunetly I also see the chairside nurse- even down in the ER where I work now. All we can do is be the best we can be or find a place like you have in acadamia where maybe you can instill hard work and pride. We need both parts and all types of nurses. Me -I don't think I could handle any more school till my kids are out of the house(12& 9).But I'm thankful you can!
  9. by   nurs4kids
    I've read this BSN vs ADN vs LPN bullcrap so much on this board here lately, that I can't even make myself read this whole thread, BUT of course I have something to add.

    I have thought alot lately about this educational division that keeps causing these fights. Since I'm sitting middle of the road on the food chain, I tried to put myself in everyone's position.

    I don't understand why BSN's are so damn offended by resistance, I don't understand why ADN's are so damn threatened by the talk of a BSN entry (there's a nursing shortage for God's sake..do you really think you'd be out of a job??!!). I don't understand why LPN's are offended when RN's aren't comfortable signing for things we don't do/see done.

    It all boils down to ONE thing..YOU. If you aren't proud of yourself; If YOU aren't comfortable with yourself; If you aren't working to satisfy YOU....YOU will never be happy. If you're a hamburger flipper at McD's and that is what YOU are happy doing, there's not a person on earth that can upset or offend you by calling you "burger boy". On the other hand, if your goal is to impress others..you'll probably get your feelings hurt a few times.

    I was talking to one of our NP's earlier tonight who has very little self-confidence. I started thinking about this bb and this issue of education. I realized that many nurses that I work around who have advanced degrees actually lack SELF confidence, all their identity is as "so $ so's NP". I think many who feel that the number of years of education should determine the validity of self are doing just that..trying to prove self with letters, degrees, years. It'll never happen. And then, sure there are some of us who'd like to have more education, more letters, more years, but are just too damn lazy to do it..so we resent and attack those who go for it. Neither will ever be happy. Then there are those who are just the burger flippers of nursing..and damn proud of it. Those who are living their dream based on desire to care for others, to be a nurse...not to be respected because of professional achievements. Those who don't feel the need to say I'm a MSN, BSN, ADN, DIPLOMA, LPN...they're just proud to be a nurse. Those will be the happier ones.

    just mUNho...now to figure where I fall in my great philosophical grouping...:P
    Last edit by nurs4kids on Apr 5, '02
  10. by   NICURNtobe
    nurs4kids, I couldn't have said it better! Amen, Amen, AMEN!!!
  11. by   Q.
    Tracy,
    I thought you had a well-written post.

    You've been unusually silent lately and I've been wondering about that. Now I know.

    I agree that intrinsic happiness and self-worth and very important and can carry a person a long way. I am intrinsically happy in my accomplishments and what I have overcome, despite my obstacles. But even the most intrinsically happy person has a need for love (or acceptance) from people around them. It's human nature and a part of living.

    I feel happy that I am a nurse, I am proud of my accomplishments and am proud to be a nurse. But, at times, with everything going on: the shortages, patients yelling at me, the obvious lack of respect at times, can make even the strongest person feel a little questionable in their roles.

    Part of being intrinsically happy too is feeling accomplished in your profession, or whatever it is your doing. Yes, I agree, the burger flipper, if happy in his role, can ignore the comments of "burger boy" from others. But, what if the burger flipper NEXT to him calls him "burger boy?" What if the french fryer, whom he admires, calls him "burger boy?" What if his own profession thinks he's just a "burger boy?" I think anyone, regardless of their profession, looks for acknowledgement and acceptance in their chosen field. And I felt, for a moment when I started this thread, that THAT was what was lacking. I felt, for a variety of reasons, that despite my being happy with my BSN, my profession wasn't and neither were my colleagues. I can tolerate disparaging remarks from non-nurses, but when the remarks or attitudes come from MY profession, I think anyone, not just me, would start to at least question if the value they placed on their accomplishments was indeed valid.

    That was really where I was coming from.

    I sense some disappointment in me from you, for being a hell-raiser here. I could be wrong, but I just wanted you to see where I was coming from. It wasn't meant to be a b**ch session, but more self-reflective.

    I hope you understand.

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