7.5% Male; 4 % Fem new nurses dropped out of nursing within four years of graduation

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live4today, RN

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Well ladies.......I cannot disagree with one thing any of you have shared from your own personal perspectives. Thanks for being open and willing to look at ALL viewpoints on this subject...as I have...afterall...this is how we learn, right???

We take from each person that which causes us to grow further in our thinking, in our daily walk, and we give back that which we have come to know and appreciate for the growth between us to continue. This is what I truly respect and appreciate about each age, gender, and culture that shares of themselves on the Allnurses forum. For this I say "Thank you!" :kiss :nurse:

Deb......I agree with you wholeheartedly on the viewpoints you shared.....you too hapeewendy. Thank you both for awaking in me days gone by when I was a mother of three little ones that I protected with my life. I told my first husband that if I could not be a fulltime mother to our children, then he had better find himself another woman because no child of mine was going to be raised by strangers.......and I kept my stand on that one. If he couldn't afford a family, he shouldn't have started one. Some may disgree with me on that note, but that's your own perogative. Thanks for allowing me to share from my perspective as well. Good night all!

shodobe

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Specializes in O.R., ED, M/S.

To "thegame", good ideas except the one about making the BSN the only "RN". That is just a bunch of "crap"!!!!! Get off the idea that the only good nurse is one who has a bunch of letters behind their name. I have been a nurse for 25 years and if a MD doesn't know that by now then to hell with them. I am just getting tired of the same old story. Most nurses just need a little backbone and not more paper.Think about it, the only ones who are upset with not making the BSN the entry for nursing are the ones who spent more time in school and don't earn anymore for it. Just my two cents, Mike

fergus51

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:eek: :eek: :eek: Not the BSN DEBATE!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!:eek:

(going to hide now until it blows over);)

OBNURSEHEATHER

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Heather

thegame

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I think within the next 5 years that all nurses should be required to gradaute with a BSN. This in the long run could give good reason to bring up salires or ask for more money. Hopfeully within the next 10 years a MSN will be an requirment for new graduate nurses. I know I will catch a lot flack from this. But if you want more respect from other professionals in the medical field, this will be done through education.

Other medical professions has increased thier educational level such as physical therapist, pharmicist, and PA are going to entry level masters programs. I don't care if nurses out there have a BSN or AN. But i think by raising the euducational level will bring some respect to the profession. :chuckle

Q.

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Specializes in LDRP; Education.

BSN debate??? Again???

Ok, I am a proponent for BSN minimum entry into professional practice, but I was hoping that the acronym could be lengthened, so that the importance of it could be seen by all!! Cuz afterall, that's what BSN proponents value right? The number of letters?

How about, BOSND (Bachelor of Science in Nurisng Degree?)

Susy K, RN, BOSND.

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Q.

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Specializes in LDRP; Education.
Originally posted by hapeewendy

hey I just had the eureka moment that if the stats posted are true

then 92.5% of male nurses and 96% of female nurses DO NOT leave nurses after four years or whatever.....hey thats not bad afterall......

hmmmm cough syrup and tylenol really put a positive spin on things sometimes!

Well, except that wasn't the article talking about leaving the profession? So, we have 92.5% male and 96% female still in nursing, but working prn or someother thing outside the hospital. ;)

nimbex, RN

387 Posts

damn, all I needed to do for a little more respect was get that BSN?

Does aretha f. have a BSN?

R-E-S-P-E-CT !

Sorry group... had to touch it.

FTell001

68 Posts

Most docs don't know..NOR care if you are an LPN, ADRN, BSNRN or the aide on the unit!

One other thing....correct me if I"m wrong here but the ADRN's and the BSNRN's sit in the same room at boards time?

SmilingBluEyes

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Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

Can we PUUUHHHLEEZE NOT make this about a debate in BSN versus AD AGAIN????? that is an old argument that has occupied many threads before this one. This is not what the original article was about anyhow! I, too, am concerned about the high dropout rate of nurses, male, female. It is a concerning issue that transcends our feelings about entry level requirements; WE NEED QUALIFIED PEOPLE period!

thegame

9 Posts

Everyone is taking my message wrong. I don't care if you are MSN, BSN, AD, diploma nurse. One of the biggest post on here is about how nurses get paid so poorly compared to other professions.

But other professions require at least a bachlors degree to apply. Other medical professions are moving to a higher educational standard and they are just as in demand as nursing. Once we go to all BSN you will never hear the debate about BSN vs AD. Physical and Occupational theaptis had moved from a 4 year degree to masters levels cours. Pharmacy has moved from bacholrs degree to PhamD. Why is there such resistance in Nursing?

I don't care about how many letters is after some ones name. My name tag just has my first name and I keep my education to my self. I just trying to offer solutions instead of griping about current nursing coditions. :D

hapeewendy

487 Posts

awwww susy ya got me

I just wanted not to be all depressed about statistics and percentages etc etc

and now that we are debating the BSCN/degree thing again I just dont know what to do

my head hurts waaaaaaaaah

have a good day :)

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