7.5% Male; 4 % Fem new nurses dropped out of nursing within four years of graduation - page 2
forwarded by psna listserve. joanne laviglio from the associated press would like to interview a male, registered nurse working in a hospital setting today regarding the just released university... Read More
Sep 7, '02I say the reasons nurses are leaving is over work underpaided high acuity of patients increased work load and lack of respect as a profession. also some men leave do to discrimination, which i think is getting a little better in some areas.
Sep 7, '02I agree with your point of view as well, Mark. I really am sad that men are leaving the profession so soon in the game, too. I have always enjoyed working with nurses who are males. Hopefully, something will be done to stop the nursing madness going on. New management??? Need a "Donald Trump" to come in and solve the matters or what???
Sep 8, '02I've said this before and I will say it again:
This is precisely why I think throwing more bodies at nursing schools, or dropping entrance requirements, or making education more "accessible" will NOT solve the nursing shortage.
Sep 8, '02Originally posted by cheerfuldoer
fergus.......I agree with the fact that today's nurses are dealing with far more than nurses in times past when it comes to patient acuity and the increased sickness that is noted among our population of citizens. However.....I still believe that adults in times past had stronger work ethic........IN GENERAL NOW.......than young adults do today. Not just in nursing.....but in many other "people-service" occupations as well.
Gen Xers do have a strong work ethic, but they also know how to balance work life with committments to family and children and personal growth, whereas Boomers did not and instead let their children (Gen Xers) be babysat by television. Boomers invented the concept of latch-key children, unfortunately. GenXers wish to rise above this mentality and actually raise their children.
In addition, GenXers don't put blind faith in companies or organizations with the mentality "oh, the company will take care of me." Far from the truth. Boomers will stop at nothing and work at that company, putting their families second, when POOF! the pension's gone. Whoops! Now what??
GenXers don't put faith in organizations nor are they loyal to them because:
1. It's just a JOB! I am a wife and daughter and sister first before I was EVER a nurse. and:
2. Organizations aren't loyal to ME, nor do they care about me! Therefore I am loyal to numero uno and will take of me first. If Hospital A starts messing with my hours, not providing safe staffing levels, can't retain employees because they keep taking away benefits, you're damn right - I am out of there and to hell with the unit!
GenXers, such as myself, change jobs or professions that accomodate our personal life and our families. We flit around for more money. Why? Because companies can TAKE AWAY pensions! Nothing guarantees them! Pabst, AC Delco, just to name a few of the biggies, have ripped pensions away that Boomer's were relying on. I don't want to be eating cat food when I retire, therefore, I am going to earn my money NOW, and not blindly work for some crack-pot organization thinking "they will take care of me, because I worked here for 30 years." Maybe they might, but history has shown they won't. And I am not about to live my life on a "what if."
Sep 8, '028 to 10 patients per nurse? Whats "NOT" to understand about the drop out rate? When I got out of school we had 5pts per nurse..and of couree you had discharges and admits along with that ratio and passing meds, treatments etc....
NOW...8 to 10 pts and they expect us to keep up? I am opting NOT to work much now because of this and I think there are a lot of nurses that are opting not to work under these condtions. I don't think there are "no nurses"..I think there are nurses that are choosing NOT to work because of the conditions.
Sep 8, '02Originally posted by FTell001
I don't think there are "no nurses"..I think there are nurses that are choosing NOT to work because of the conditions.
THAT'S what needs to be addressed. WHY they are leaving, not recruiting foreign nurses or ad campaigns for nursing schools.
Sep 8, '02I agree. There are also a plethora of alternative occupations, many of which did not exist when we started, most of which pay better, treat employees better, and respect people and their educational attainments.
Sep 8, '02I can't imagine hanging blood, platelets, chemo..etc...and watching all that with 8 to 10 pts. Medicine floor with all the TPN, procal, lipids, IV pushes, and treatments...????? Surgical floor and watching for post op bleeds..frequent vitals, meds, dressings and family members to teach...not to mention charting and crossing every "T" and doting every "i"..because JACHO might be watching.....and GOD FORBID you have a patient that codes? HECK...who wants to be a patient under those conditions..much less a nurse!!
Sep 8, '02Originally posted by Furball
Off on a shallow, superficial tangent..........
Suzy....You and your hubby are adorable!
Sep 8, '02Susy...your second post. Did you read my mind? I WANT THE BRAIN TODAY!!!!!! :chuckle
Excellent post. Hits the nail on the head. Lemme tell all of y'all, when I get preggers, no way no how am I coming back to nsg full time unless I am in DIRE need to for financial reasons. I am looking forward to being a mommy so I can go PRN. Sad, huh?
Sep 8, '02Shay...I've been working PRN for years...I still can't bring myself to signing on to a full time position with a hospital. Once they have you in their clutches they can schedule YOUR time. Most of the time now..I don't even put myself on their PRN schedule and when they call, if its a floor I don't want to work..then I just say "no"..to coming in. Most facilities here will over schedule you PRN so they can pull you anywhere within the hospital which I do NOT like!
<repeating to myself..after all those years of studying in college..."I like my job, I like my job">
Sep 8, '02originally posted by susy k
i'd also like to address this. as long as we're talking about generalities within generations:
gen xers do have a strong work ethic, but they also know how to balance work life with committments to family and children and personal growth, whereas boomers did not and instead let their children (gen xers) be babysat by television. boomers invented the concept of latch-key children, unfortunately. genxers wish to rise above this mentality and actually raise their children.
in addition, genxers don't put blind faith in companies or organizations with the mentality "oh, the company will take care of me." far from the truth. boomers will stop at nothing and work at that company, putting their families second, when poof! the pension's gone. whoops! now what??
genxers don't put faith in organizations nor are they loyal to them because:
1. it's just a job! i am a wife and daughter and sister first before i was ever a nurse. and:
2. organizations aren't loyal to me, nor do they care about me! therefore i am loyal to numero uno and will take of me first. if hospital a starts messing with my hours, not providing safe staffing levels, can't retain employees because they keep taking away benefits, you're damn right - i am out of there and to hell with the unit!
genxers, such as myself, change jobs or professions that accomodate our personal life and our families. we flit around for more money. why? because companies can take away pensions! nothing guarantees them! pabst, ac delco, just to name a few of the biggies, have ripped pensions away that boomer's were relying on. i don't want to be eating cat food when i retire, therefore, i am going to earn my money now, and not blindly work for some crack-pot organization thinking "they will take care of me, because i worked here for 30 years." maybe they might, but history has shown they won't. and i am not about to live my life on a "what if."
also....i do not know one person in my entire family from the oldest to the youngest adult who has the mentality that you speak of with "baby boomers". so....all i can say is if "baby boomers".....in general.....are like you describe.....the "baby boomer angel" must have passed over all of my family members the day it dished out the order for "baby boomers" to behave that way. :chuckle
if your family members who are "baby boomers" behaved that way....i'm sorry if you were exposed to such treatment, but not where i grew up, nor with the values i hold near and dear to my heart.
my first marriage of 18 years provided me with the blessed opportunity to stay home and care for my children. even though i did not have to be employed outside the home, i attended college while my children were at school during the day, and sold real estate...while my children were at school. one day i had to go show a house, and it was on one particular memorial day when our family was busy having a picnic in our backyard with company. the house i had to show was right around the corner from where i lived, and some doctor wanted to view the house that particular day because it happened to be his only day off. okay...i took my three children with me to show the house because i did not want to leave them unattended at a picnic in our own backyard where their father was cooking on the grill, and other guests were into their own fun. i was that picky as a mother when it came to the babies that i birthed from my body. i did not care what other people thought about my children accompanying me on occasions like that, or any other time.
the only time i had to be both sets of parents for my children is after their father left us. even as a single mom, i worked my schedule around my children's schedule....and i never once had a latch-key kid......i am highly opposed to children being made latch-key kids......which is one reason why i became the "neighborhood mother" and always had a home full of other people's kids.