17 y/o girl who received wrong organs gets a second chance - page 9

DURHAM, N.C. (Feb. 20) - Doctors located an organ donor early Thursday for a 17-year-old girl clinging to life after she received a heart and lungs that didn't match her blood type, a spokeswoman... Read More

  1. by   ktwlpn
    Originally posted by Sally_ICURN
    Thank you for your honest answer Susy. I wonder if there are websites that serve as a forum for cops. I wonder if it would be a place for them to "vent" and speak what they truely feel about the citizens (or non-citizens) they serve? I'm sure the posts wouldn't be all positive. I think it would be kind of scary. It's one thing to vent to each other, even cops to nurses, but it's another thing when it becomes public.

    Don't anyone flame me for this. Nursing, like law enforcement serves the public. My wondering is valid.
    Lots of forums all over the net-law enforcement message boards and discussion groups too numerous to count...I don't view them because they don't remotely interest me...Plenty of message boards to go to and read John Q Public's opinion of the medical establishment and law enforcement-that's scary,too.....The internet has changed our lives-for better or worse.....
  2. by   LauraF, RN
    I am new here so please don't flame me. I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinions. I am also in transition from LPN to RN student. I think it is questionable as to what happened at Duke Hospital. But, in my first nursing class in the RN program they discuss in the section of communication with clients of personal prejudices and preformed opinions and to not let them get involved when dealing with the patient. One example is being an RN in an ER. Your patient is a gang member who just killed a 5 year old boy. He himself sustained a gun shot wound. As wrong as he was we should not be executioners. I would hope he would receive treatment in your ER.

    We do have rights to our opinions, as long as it does not interfere with our duties as being nurses. That is my opinion.
  3. by   l.rae
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by nurs4kids
    She died. Very sad. My heart goes out to the family.

    BUT, I have a real problem with a few things here..

    First of all, I, like other's here, have watched numerous AMERICAN children die while awaiting organ transplant. Children of the AMERICAN WORKING CLASS. Dang straight I have a problem with us giving organs to immigrants (legal OR illegal) while our own children die.

    Whether she was legal or illegal at the time of the operation is mute to me. She was ILLEGALLY smuggled into MY country and in my opinion, stole the life from two other Americans. May have been the child I cared for today. The child of hard working Americans. The child whose parent's have mediocre healthcare coverage. Their crime? Being born American and playing by the rules.

    The next BIG problem I have with this whole thing is that the parents had the gall to refuse to donate organs. Their "state of mind" is of no excuse at this moment. These people have known the odds for this child for years now. These people KNOW the importance of organ donation. Their child was given, not one, but TWO sets of organs and they have the undecency to refuse organ donation??!!! THAT in itself tells me about all I need to know about them. Selfish.

    And with that said..I also have a right to be selfish. I want to see MY country take care of its own citizens before they take on the world.

    As for those who are in favor of this family obtaining a large settlement..
    when OUR healthcare premiums rise beyond our paying capability..
    remember, your bleeding heart supported one of the lawsuits that was instrumental in driving the cost of healthcare from the point of affordable to the point of unobtainable. The money to "compensate" this family WILL eventually be passed onto the taxpayer..one way or another.

    Just proof once again..
    If we'd have sent her and her family back as soon as we found they were illegal, everyone would be better off. She'd still be alive (right???), we wouldn't be facing a major lawsuit and two more AMERICANS on the transplant list would probably have their organs by now.
    [/QUOTE

    Nurse4kids:kiss did you ever know that you're my hero?
  4. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by ktwlpn
    I don't see where anyone has "attacked" this family-could you provide a quote or link to the offending post? I feel sorry for the family-IMHO they did the best they could do but I have the suspicion that they are being taken advantage of somehow by their benefactor.If not for financial gain then for revenge against the medical system for all the wrongs that he feels have been done against him... This is a nursing board and we all regularly vent regarding our jobs and the difficulties we face daily-I am sure that many a layman's hair would curl at some of our threads-but these threads contain OUR reality....and I don't really care how appearing "callous" affects the image of nursing...Any Joe Schmo with a lick of sense knows that we have to maintain our composure in the midst of our duties...Callous means"1 a : being hardened and thickened b : having calluses
    2 a : feeling no emotion b : feeling no sympathy for others
    I maintain composure (most of the time). But I also feel sympathy for others, and show those feelings. There were attacks made, regarding the family not donating organs (they wanted an autopsy performed on their daughter), regarding the lawful entry into the US, and there were also comments about them receiving food stamps and public assistance. That wasn't necessary was it? I understand we will not all agree, but we don't all have to agree with the parents decision either, right? I understand that people vent their frustrations, but sometimes a person's true feelings come out when they are angry. Sorry to offend...just my 'opinion'.
  5. by   Jay-Jay
    Originally posted by RN2BLPN4NOW
    I am new here so please don't flame me. I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinions. I am also in transition from LPN to RN student. I think it is questionable as to what happened at Duke Hospital. But, in my first nursing class in the RN program they discuss in the section of communication with clients of personal prejudices and preformed opinions and to not let them get involved when dealing with the patient. One example is being an RN in an ER. Your patient is a gang member who just killed a 5 year old boy. He himself sustained a gun shot wound. As wrong as he was we should not be executioners. I would hope he would receive treatment in your ER.

    We do have rights to our opinions, as long as it does not interfere with our duties as being nurses. That is my opinion.
    Well said, RN2B! That's what I was taught, too.
  6. by   kaycee
    Originally posted by RN2BLPN4NOW
    I am new here so please don't flame me. I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinions. I am also in transition from LPN to RN student. I think it is questionable as to what happened at Duke Hospital. But, in my first nursing class in the RN program they discuss in the section of communication with clients of personal prejudices and preformed opinions and to not let them get involved when dealing with the patient. One example is being an RN in an ER. Your patient is a gang member who just killed a 5 year old boy. He himself sustained a gun shot wound. As wrong as he was we should not be executioners. I would hope he would receive treatment in your ER.

    We do have rights to our opinions, as long as it does not interfere with our duties as being nurses. That is my opinion.
    Believe me, I have taken care of plenty of bad people in the ER that I couldn't stand because of what they did or the way they acted or the way they treated me. It never once affected the way I took care of them. I will always give my patients my best no matter what they did or said or how they act but I still have the right as a person to express how I really feel about them. I am only human.


    Originally posted by Susy K
    I would have no problem with any patient reading what we write here. I am a nurse and that is my JOB - not a way of life. I have opinions and emotions and reactions just like anyone else. Being a nurse does not obsolve me of those very human traits.

    ditto for me Susy!
  7. by   Asiancutie
    i just hope the hospitals can find out who made an error on not appropriately matching the organs to the patient. that is a horrible mistake.... hope i won't be needing surgery. i certainly won't be going to duke and have my family would be checking labs to make sure they got the right blood type... bless jessica and her family.
  8. by   Hardknox
    Sorry Asiancutie but Duke is probably the SAFEST place to have your surgery now--they will be checking and double checking things up the yingyang!!!
  9. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    I'd like to weigh in with some information that may not be well-known. Canada and the United States have an organ sharing agreement in place and have had for about 15 years. When a donor is identified and all local possible matches have been ruled out, the search for suitable recipients widens and sometimes results in the most suitable recipient being on the other side of the 49th Parallel. Cross-border organ donations are not common but do happen with enough regularity that there are concerns about fees charged by the facility of origin. Currently, when an organ crosses the border, the receiving facility pays $25,000 (about $40,000 CDN) for costs relating to supporting the donor and the retrieval process. Due to the larger population and differences in firearms and drunk-driving legislation and other cultural differences, slightly more organs come north than go south. As things stand now, interprovincial transfers of organs do not carry any fees, a situation currently being debated and possibly subject to change, the rationale for this being that the costs are constant, and the facility of origin should not be on the hook for them. With provincial health care budgets being what they are, any shifting of costs on to someone else is to be applauded.

    One thing that really bothered me (aside from the obvious) about the media accounts of what was happening in Durham was the continual reference to "life support" being the cause of Jesica's ultimate demise. It gives the public the erroneous impression that the usual life support (ventilators, drugs, blood products, etc) are more dangerous than the alternative, when what they were referring to was ECLS... ECMO... whatever we want to call it, which of course is a horse of a different colour. The risks associated with ECMO as bridge-to-transplant are well-known. The PICU where I work lost a youngster over the holidays to ECMO-related bridge-to-transplant complications. I'm left wondering why no one has attempted to correct this misinformation.

    As an aside, I am the parent of a transplant recipient who is now 14 years out and in good health. He has life-long handicaps resulting from medical misadventure following his transplant, for which I would cheerfully throttle the responsible party if I could get my hands around his neck. The other night I Googled his name and discovered that he has devoted much of his career to learning as much as he can about the underlying causes of what happened to my son and making sure it doesn't happen to anybody else. So maybe I'll just keep my hands in my pockets...
  10. by   geranium
    If any of the team of nurses caring for this girl are reading this, my thoughts are with you , God Bless
  11. by   tiffanyhrn
    I, like so many others have wondered how she got her transplant so fast. I work on a floor with a lot of transplant patients and I have seen how long it takes to get them. Some don't even get them in time. Also the fact that she is illegal bothers me when so many U.S. citizens have been waiting for transplants much longer. There are a lot of CF patients on my floor who are in much need of lungs.

    Tiffany
  12. by   MoJoeRN,C
    There is a movement now in my states legislature to do away with presenting immigration papers for non-citizens to get their drivers license. This would allow the illegal alien to be even more invisible.
  13. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by MoJoeRN,C
    There is a movement now in my states legislature to do away with presenting immigration papers for non-citizens to get their drivers license. This would allow the illegal alien to be even more invisible.
    Probably better than the 16 year olds driving around town. Even more invisible?? I don't even know what that comment means. "Now driving in a town near you...The Invisible Illegal Alien"...ummm, *****

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