17 y/o girl who received wrong organs gets a second chance - page 7

DURHAM, N.C. (Feb. 20) - Doctors located an organ donor early Thursday for a 17-year-old girl clinging to life after she received a heart and lungs that didn't match her blood type, a spokeswoman... Read More

  1. by   roxannekkb
    If organ donation was international, then I would not have a problem with giving organs to people here illegally. But if I sneaked across the border to Mexico, would I get on their list for organ donation? For those who defend the right of illegals to get organs in this country, all aspects need to be considered. Could an American get a Mexican heart while Mexicans are waiting on a list? i think the system might work better if it was more international in scope, at least, including all countries on one continent.

    As far as this Mahoney guy, I think its great how he took up the cause. On the other hand, he is totally out of line. Two weeks to get a second set of organs is miraculous. If he didn't think it was fast enough, perhaps he should have donated his own! And yes, a horrible mistake was made. We acknowledge that. But as I said before, the girl may have died in surgery or afterwards even with the proper match. Many people reject their organs and die. It's a fact. I tend to imagine that this Mahoney guy would be acting the same way if she died even after receiving the correct organs--if no mistake had been made.

    And I think it is awful that they're not donating any of her organs. Shame on them, although, maybe it's Mahoney who's refusing for them. Who knows what he's translating for them.
  2. by   Q.
    I'd need confirmation that they refused donation.

    Many organs could have been used for another little girl.

    What is their rationale? 'Tis okay to receive but not give? Organ donation could have helped someone and also helped with the grief with the loss of Jesica.
  3. by   Q.
    Originally posted by roxannekkb
    maybe it's Mahoney who's refusing for them. Who knows what he's translating for them.
    Exactly my point.
    Right now I don't trust him one bit. My guess is he'll sue the hospitals and staff, collect millions, and no doubt keep a portion for himself. Jerk.
  4. by   PowerPuffGirl
    I saw in one of the news stories that Mahoney had the medical power-of-attorney.

    Anyone heard anything on this, or know why?

    I was wondering if maybe it was due to the fact that her family did not speak English?
  5. by   psychonurse
    I don't really want to bash illegals, but I also know many people who have died waiting for transplants and were having trouble with funding due to the little that most insurance companies pay for transplantation. There is a girl here in my home town that has been waiting for a heart-lung transplant for four years and she is unable to get it but here is this little girl not even from this country that has received two transplants in less than a month...there is something definately wrong with that and then for the family to refuse organ donation?????? I mean I think her corneas and skin would have been okay and it would have saved some lifes...but the family is just going to take her back home and bury her and have someone up here sue the doctor so that he can't afford insurance any longer.....it just isn't right in my opinion.....
  6. by   baseline
    Thats not a good reason to give POA. We have a large population of non-english speaking patients, and we use the intepretation line......especially for consents and legal issues.
    Last edit by baseline on Feb 22, '03
  7. by   sunnygirl272
    Originally posted by baseline
    nurs4kids......well stated.
    ^5
  8. by   sunnygirl272
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Exactly my point.
    Right now I don't trust him one bit. My guess is he'll sue the hospitals and staff, collect millions, and no doubt keep a portion for himself. Jerk.
    i am curious about his having worked on Dole's campaign...(hers, not his)....he reeks of some sort of twisted political aspirations....all his grandstanding dogoodiness.....
  9. by   PowerPuffGirl
    I heard on the local news that her parents have Mahoney the power-of-attorney because of the language issue (sounds like he was the primary translator between her family and the hospital - which raises some ethical issues, I think) and because they were grateful to him for his efforts to try and save her.

    Doesn't sound like a very good reason to give POA, but I suppose her family may have been just shell-shocked and felt they were unable to deal or function in this situation.
  10. by   Q.
    Originally posted by PowerPuffGirl
    I heard on the local news that her parents have Mahoney the power-of-attorney because of the language issue (sounds like he was the primary translator between her family and the hospital - which raises some ethical issues, I think) and because they were grateful to him for his efforts to try and save her.

    Serious ethical issues BIG TIME. I never allowed a family member or other "family rep" to translate to my Hispanic patients for this very reason.

    I feel sorry for the family because on top of losing their daughter, I have a gut feeling that Mahoney is using them for his own personal gain.
  11. by   CountrifiedRN
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Serious ethical issues BIG TIME. I never allowed a family member or other "family rep" to translate to my Hispanic patients for this very reason.

    I feel sorry for the family because on top of losing their daughter, I have a gut feeling that Mahoney is using them for his own personal gain.
    I feel the same way about Mahoney. Maybe I am wrong, but it just seems unusual for a friend of the family (and not a life long friend either, just in recent years) to be SO involved, and to have a POA. I fear that he has ulterior motives. He just gives me the creeps for some reason.

    Sally, thanks for the link you provided.
  12. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by nurs4kids
    She died. Very sad. My heart goes out to the family.

    BUT, I have a real problem with a few things here..

    First of all, I, like other's here, have watched numerous AMERICAN children die while awaiting organ transplant. Children of the AMERICAN WORKING CLASS. Dang straight I have a problem with us giving organs to immigrants (legal OR illegal) while our own children die.

    Whether she was legal or illegal at the time of the operation is mute to me. She was ILLEGALLY smuggled into MY country and in my opinion, stole the life from two other Americans. May have been the child I cared for today. The child of hard working Americans. The child whose parent's have mediocre healthcare coverage. Their crime? Being born American and playing by the rules.

    The next BIG problem I have with this whole thing is that the parents had the gall to refuse to donate organs. Their "state of mind" is of no excuse at this moment. These people have known the odds for this child for years now. These people KNOW the importance of organ donation. Their child was given, not one, but TWO sets of organs and they have the undecency to refuse organ donation??!!! THAT in itself tells me about all I need to know about them. Selfish.

    And with that said..I also have a right to be selfish. I want to see MY country take care of its own citizens before they take on the world.

    As for those who are in favor of this family obtaining a large settlement..
    when OUR healthcare premiums rise beyond our paying capability..
    remember, your bleeding heart supported one of the lawsuits that was instrumental in driving the cost of healthcare from the point of affordable to the point of unobtainable. The money to "compensate" this family WILL eventually be passed onto the taxpayer..one way or another.

    Just proof once again..
    If we'd have sent her and her family back as soon as we found they were illegal, everyone would be better off. She'd still be alive (right???), we wouldn't be facing a major lawsuit and two more AMERICANS on the transplant list would probably have their organs by now.
    Wow.
  13. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by RN2B4SUR
    First she is an alien not an immigrant. Immigrants obey the law coming here. I have no problem with them getting or giving organs.

    She also is NOT a minor in many states. So yes she did/does have the right to choose to come here or not.
    The system is screwed up and everyone "caring" about an unlawful sweet little girl not getting the right organs and then getting worst is sad and wrong for the system. She should have been sent back to Mexico when they found out she was an alien!
    This is very scary. I hope you never have to struggle to provide health care for your children based on where they are from.
    Last edit by Jay-Jay on Feb 23, '03

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