"Just" a 2-year degree - page 7

Stopped at local pharmacy to pick up prescription. Asked pharm tech how her daughter was (she's a traveling nurse); she said great, we briefly discussed how she's deciding between staying and moving... Read More

  1. by   Tweety
    Quote from scaredofshots
    TWO YEARS? Where did you all go to school?? When I graduate with my R N I will have a total of THREE years. One year for pre req's and two years nursing... If I choose I can get another year and add the letter BS to my title...:mortarboard:

    Back in a day it was a two-year program and still is in many places. Many programs call what you call "pre-reqs" co-reqs that can be taken alongside the other courses and be completed in two years. With waiting lists few people just walk in and take it in two years, but that's how associate degrees were designed to work........two years.
  2. by   BSNtobe2009
    Just for the record...nobody said a 2-year nursing degree was easy. No one said it wasn't hard to get into. All nursing programs are turning away qualified applicants. I moved because all of the nursing programs where I originally was had 300 students competing for only 65 slots. I moved to where the odds were more like 150 to 55.

    However, it would be misleading to say that ASN's have the exact same privileges as a BSN in hospitals. That is the entire reason why I am going to go forward after I finish my ASN even though I have a BS in another field. If you never want to get promoted, be a charge nurse, or work at some magnet hospitals, then an ASN is perfectly fine. However, if you ever become disabled and can't do the physical work of hospital nursing, you can work for just about any pharmaceutical company and receive top consideration for employment, but without a BSN, your resume won't even be considered.

    Also, some of the magnet hospitals won't hire you unless you have a BSN, because they want to be able to ADVERTISE that their nurses all have BSN's.

    The point of the original post was that the original poster thought the pharmacy tech was insulting her level of education, and that isn't what happened at all.

    Maybe I'm different, maybe I'm weird, but I've never been "hung up" on the letters after my name. To me, I'm planning on doing what it takes to earn the degree it takes to reach my long-term career goals while being financially independent.

    Quote from KiNKy sLiNkY
    It pisses me off like no other when someone refers to a two year program as an "easy" nursing program or in this case "just" a 2 yr degree...

    I go to El Centro College, part of Dallas County Community Colleges... and I can't TELL YOU how many people are DENIED acceptance into El Centro's nursing program, so they resort to going to the 4 year programs...

    They bust our butts SO much harder than the 4 years around here... I've even seen nurses in the hospital that will refuse to work with students that aren't from a two year program because they really can't handle too much and quite a few are clinically inept... The professors at the 4 yrs also tell their students not to even COMPARE themselves with us because they won't even come close to our clinical abilities coming OUT of SCHOOL until at least 6 months of working as a full time RN...

    In order to even THINK about getting into our program, you are required to have a 4.0 GPA on all your pre-reqs... If you don't, you can forget it... Our MINIMUM passing grade is a 78.. Our HESI requirements are even HIGHER than any other college nearby! Just a few weeks ago I had a friend that said I went to the "easy" nursing school. I flipped. First, she couldn't even get INTO my college, that's why she went to the BSN... And second, the NCLEX passing rate is a 97% at my school vs. a 91% at most of the BSN programs around here...

    What is boils down to... you don't need all those BS courses to make you a safe, efficient, and knowledgeable nurse.. how is history, government, statistics, upper level math, all of those BS classes EVER.. EVER going to come into play in NURSING... fact is, ITS NOT.. thats HOW the two year degree came about =)

    And about getting more opportunities if you have a BSN... I am applying for RN positions now, and.... I haven't noticed any place that I am not allowed to work because I will have an ADN... In fact... I was one of the first people offered a position at PARKLAND's ER & L/D... the L&D being the 2nd busiest in the WORLD... The only opportunities that we MAY be denied.. is charge nurse (which I've seen ADNs assume that role on MULTIPLE occasions), and a nurse manager...

    IN MY OPINION, if you plan to STAY an RN and decide against furthering your education, I think the best route to obtain your RN is with an ADN... Simply because why spend ALL of the money and the EXTRA YEAR to get a BSN, when really.. we're all paid the same... BSNs don't get paid any more than ADNs.. So... ADN is CHEAPER and FASTER... and better
    Last edit by BSNtobe2009 on Oct 10, '06
  3. by   tiredfeetED
    Wow...the bottom line is that ADN or BSN your a RN.... remember why you came into the field, to help people. Treat your patients and each other with respect please! Now back to your bickering!
  4. by   SeanyRN
    Quote from scaredofshots
    TWO YEARS? Where did you all go to school?? When I graduate with my R N I will have a total of THREE years. One year for pre req's and two years nursing... If I choose I can get another year and add the letter BS to my title...:mortarboard:
    If it takes 2 years to grad a 2 year program, how long would it take for you to grad. a 4 year program?
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from SeanyRN
    If it takes 2 years to grad a 2 year program, how long would it take for you to grad. a 4 year program?

    I'm due to graduate with my BSN in next summer. All in all it took me about, since........oh 1981 to get my 4 year degree.
  6. by   Alexsys
    I am a ADN now and will have my BSN in April. :mortarboard: Afterward, I DO plan to go farther, but that is MY choice. I dont think anyone thinks that getting a higher education is intimidating and I cant fathom why you are saying that. Maybe some people dont want to go on and that is THEIR choice,it is not that they feel inferior unless they are letting your words do so. Puting down ADN's is not the way to go. That just tells me you lack experience in the nursing field. We are supposed to work together, not tear anyone down because of their education level.

    (some content edited out to decrease inflammatory tone)
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Oct 10, '06
  7. by   nurse4theplanet
    I wholeheartedly agree that one can be proud of their educational credentials and experience without making another feel like a lesser professional...especially when filling the same job title. I value higher education, yet I will not look down upon the ADN once I have received a higher degree...as I realize that some must reach their long term goals by first achieving short term goals and it is no reflection upon intelligence or lack there of, as implied by certain posts within this thread!

    ASW
  8. by   SeanyRN
    Quote from Alexsys
    I am a ADN now and will have my BSN in April. :mortarboard: Afterward, I DO plan to go farther, but that is MY choice. I dont think anyone thinks that getting a higher education is intimidating and I cant fathom why you are saying that. Maybe some people dont want to go on and that is THEIR choice,it is not that they feel inferior unless they are letting your words do so. Puting down ADN's is not the way to go.
    inflammatory post edited out.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Oct 10, '06
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Thread temporarily closed for moderator discussion and review.

    Thanks for understanding.
  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Thread re-opened for discussion of original topic. Let's hope we can stay on-track!

    Thanks.
  11. by   SeanyRN
    Quote from SeanyRN
    inflammatory post edited out.

    For the 100 of pms I have been getting. What I said in my post that was deleted had noooo curse words or anything like that. I just responded in a very defensive way to a nurse on this board.

    I respect ADN's, not everyone can afford or have the time to attend a 4 year program and see a 2 year as a well paying and rewarding alternative. It just gets annoying when some ADN's on the board say that and ADN program is more difficult or even compare when they have never been in a 4 year program. Im sorry if I have offended any nurses out there. I know that a degree doesnt make the person nor does it define your character. But my degree is something that I am very proud and im not afraid to show it.
  12. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from SeanyRN
    For the 100 of pms I have been getting. What I said in my post that was deleted had noooo curse words or anything like that. I just responded in a very defensive way to a nurse on this board.

    I respect ADN's, not everyone can afford or have the time to attend a 4 year program and see a 2 year as a well paying and rewarding alternative. It just gets annoying when some ADN's on the board say that and ADN program is more difficult or even compare when they have never been in a 4 year program. Im sorry if I have offended any nurses out there. I know that a degree doesnt make the person nor does it define your character. But my degree is something that I am very proud and im not afraid to show it.
    THAT was stated very appropriately! I agree with you. And because of those feelings, I can completely understand why the OP was somewhat offended by the pharm tech who she perceived to be dismissing the hard work she invested into her two year degree.
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    ty Seany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    well-said!

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