"It shouldn't be that hard to be a nurse" - page 6

Competition tough for nursing school Interesting. I am sure that some of our pre-nursing and current nursing students may agree but after 16 years in this business, I am convinced that... Read More

  1. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Tweety
    However, dad has a point.........Americans wanting to be nurses, yet importing foreigners. Do we check their GPA's prior to importing them? Probably not, as long as they pass NCLEX.
    Not only foriegners coming to this country, but also its easier for minorities and other nationalities to go to school in this country and to get into nursing school.
  2. by   VIXEN007
    I disagree with the prior comment. As a minority with a 3.74 gpa and a
    microbiology major, I got wait listed for medical school. I decided to give nursing school a try. I do not believe that it is easier for minorities to get into nursing school. Look at the national stats on enrollment.
    My long term goals are to complete the RN-MSN, and become a Nurse Practitioner. I plan to work as an NP and complete a PhD program so that I can teach someday.
    As a former patient, I know how important competency is. I do not believe that competency can be faked. So, if someone unqualified gets in, they probably won't make it through unless they step up to the plate and hit the ball out the park.
  3. by   a21chdchic
    5-10-2007

    Nursing is a tough profession, always! It is hard work with long hours. It takes a tough person who is well organized, efficient, quick thinking, and you better have good work ethics. It is so true that Nurse's eat their young, so toughen up, be prepared. A lot is expected of us all, and you may be young, we'll help you learn and mentor you, but get ready to pull your own weight. Older nurse's can't carry your weight, if you come in tired from partying, or other personal issues interfere with your ability to function. We all have our own load to carry. The best thing you can do in school is learn excellent assessment skills and excellent problem solving skills, it takes alot of creativity to solve alot of problems. The hands on skills that are required, will come with time and practice. But assessment skills and problem solving skills are essential in making an excellent nurse. They are your survival skills.

    a21chdchic in AZ
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from teeituptom
    Not only foriegners coming to this country, but also its easier for minorities and other nationalities to go to school in this country and to get into nursing school.

    Ok I am going to have to address the direction of the thread here and ask you all a favor:

    Please, let's not open up a can of worms going into this area. Please, keep focused on the topic as it was presented and however we feel about international nurses joining us, leave that for the many threads that already exist on this site.

    thank you.
  5. by   pagandeva2000
    While I don't believe that just anyone can be a nurse, I do not believe that a 4.0 GPA assures us that you will obtain a qualified nurse. I don't have the solution or suggestions, but grades alone is not reassuring. It is the quality of the person. NCLEX does not crank out the best, either. It forces us to regurgitate all that they may want to hear, but the real world does not allow for such.
  6. by   PeachyERNurse
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    Last edit by PeachyERNurse on Jul 22, '07
  7. by   chickapin
    Quote from futurnurse
    Yep, I am a Pinellas student. So far, everything's going well. Summer's gonna be tough though. They have us taking Med-Surg I & II together. Do you guys do the same?
    We did Med/Surg I & II this spring, so thankfully, I'm done! I really enjoyed most of it though and I'm very glad we took both at the same time because I think it made the med/surg HESI much easier with all the info being fresh. Plus I felt like I progressed in the hospital a lot faster because I had a larger base of knowledge to use. But man, doing it over the summer in such a short semester will be tough. At least they'll be your only classes, right? Good luck!
  8. by   luquacious
    Hi this is my first post and I must say I was very prompted to write. I too am a new nursing student and I am very upset with how my school has handled the acceptance of students. The requirements are 21 on your ACT and a GPA of 3.0 or better. There are many of us who attained these requirements and exceeded them, however there were many that did not and were also excepted. I can't tell you how angry some of us were. Why set the bar high and then lower it so that you can fill your available slots. I am sorry for saying this but if these women couldn't make the grade with their gen. eds. what makes them think that they are going to be able to make the grade in the nursing program. I guess I am so upset because I am 41 year old student, with much going on in my life, (including a new baby). I haven't been to school in years and worked really hard to meet the schools criteria, only to find out that you really don't have to work so hard. I will not drop my standards because of this, but it just doesn't seem right that this is how it is.
    By the way, I go to a very expensive private school with an elite nursing program and if they are lowering their standards as to who gets in, then what are other schools producing? This concerns me greatly.
    Please don't think me prideful; if I come off this way I am sorry. I just needed to vent somewhere safe. As one of the rules for nursing school states, "don't talk about anyone (or anything while in school) rumors start quickly"
    Thanks for listening
    Last edit by luquacious on May 12, '07
  9. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from luquacious
    By the way, I go to a very expensive private school with an elite nursing program and if they are lowering their standards as to who gets in, then what are other schools producing? This concerns me greatly.
    Please don't think me prideful; if I come off this way I am sorry. I just needed to vent somewhere safe. As one of the rules for nursing school states, "don't talk about anyone (or anything while in school) rumors start quickly"
    Thanks for listening
    It's a good thing you aren't lowering your standards, because it doesn't really matter what they teach as long as the school's accredited, or how hard it is to get in (or not). Bottom line is, did you fulfill your educational requirements satisfactorily and can you pass the NCLEX?
  10. by   MrChicagoRN
    I only got through the first few pages before skipping to the end.

    you know what?

    It SHOULDN'T be so hard to be accepted into a nursing program.

    Many highly qualified potential students are turned away for the simple reason of an inadequate number of spots.

    Why?

    Not enough qualified instructors. Nurse educators are often grossly overpaid. If I would go and get an MSN focused on education, I would then be qualified to take a position likely to pay me $20,000 per year less.

    Address the pay inequity of educators, and you'll address the shortage of qualified instructors, and address the nursing shortage itself.

    Should training be Rigorous? YES
    Should it be this hard to get into a program? NO
  11. by   mercyteapot
    I wonder how it is they focused on this girl. There are students with much higher GPAs (and, one would imagine, fathers that aren't so moronic) that can't get in to nursing school. Bewailing the problems of someone with a GPA that wouldn't even earn her honorable mention on the Dean's List at a lot of schools doesn't highlight how challenging it truly is very well.
  12. by   Raeth
    Quote from luquacious
    Hi this is my first post and I must say I was very prompted to write. I too am a new nursing student and I am very upset with how my school has handled the acceptance of students. The requirements are 21 on your ACT and a GPA of 3.0 or better. There are many of us who attained these requirements and exceeded them, however there were many that did not and were also excepted. I can't tell you how angry some of us were. Why set the bar high and then lower it so that you can fill your available slots. I am sorry for saying this but if these women couldn't make the grade with their gen. eds. what makes them think that they are going to be able to make the grade in the nursing program. I guess I am so upset because I am 41 year old student, with much going on in my life, (including a new baby). I haven't been to school in years and worked really hard to meet the schools criteria, only to find out that you really don't have to work so hard. I will not drop my standards because of this, but it just doesn't seem right that this is how it is.
    By the way, I go to a very expensive private school with an elite nursing program and if they are lowering their standards as to who gets in, then what are other schools producing? This concerns me greatly.
    Please don't think me prideful; if I come off this way I am sorry. I just needed to vent somewhere safe. As one of the rules for nursing school states, "don't talk about anyone (or anything while in school) rumors start quickly"
    Thanks for listening
    Congrats on getting in!

    I guess I can understand your frustration, but on the other had it's just good that you're in. Very likely the reason your school lowered the standards to fill spots is because many people probably don't want to pay to go to a "very expensive private school" for nursing. I'm not saying there aren't benefits, but I am in my first quarter of clinicals at the community college and we share clincal sites with the nursing students from the private school that costs about 10X as much.
  13. by   MB37
    While reading this thread, I remembered an ex of mine from several years ago who had recently finished his RN. He told me all about his school experiences, and about the grading scale - this was the first I'd ever heard of this 76% for a C idea. I thought for a second, then realized how much sense it made - NS shouldn't be easy, and we should want our nurses to know at least 3/4 of the material. I know that's slightly off topic, but it seemed to fit here.

    This girl needs to perhaps look into other options. A 3.29 shouldn't preclude you from ever becoming a nurse, but you should do your research and find out which programs in your area will accept you with those grades. There are many ways to become a nurse, as we all know, and she could try a CC and do a bridge or finish a different degree like others have on this site and apply to an ABSN program. I'm at the same school as others who've posted above, and this year we needed a 3.5 for the ABSN. Regular upper division admission is higher - 3.7-3.8 range usually, because those people have fewer credits and haven't taken a lot of upper level classes (or at least their competition hasn't).

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