[jleski]

Originally Posted by Claver

In New York medications in the residences are administered by AMAP STAFF. These are staff members who have been trained to give medications and are recertified each year by the RN. The RN is responsible for their supervision. Some of them are very good, others are not so good. In the monthly staff meetings in the homes, I request from the house managers some time in which I do a short inservice on a particular aspect of medication administration. Additionally, I review the MAR weekly to pick up on any errors. I also have medical assitants in each of the houses that I cover, and thery are responsible on a daily basis to review the MAR, check medications, control drugs etc. and inform me of any problems. It is not a perfect system, but it works. And just remember that many of our state boards are in agreement with this arrangement - "The MEMORANDUM of UNDERSTANDING." This is what it is called in New York state.

Can you give me more info. on "The Memorandum of Understanding?" Would I go to the State Board of Nursing website for NY and download it? jleski

[Claver]

Hi jleski,

You can go to the Office of the Professions, New York State Education Department, and look under Current Issues in Nursing. I will also give you the website : http//www.op.nysed.gov/nurse-omrddadminmemo2003-1.htm

Originally Posted by jleski

Can you give me more info. on "The Memorandum of Understanding?" Would I go to the State Board of Nursing website for NY and download it? jleski

[LPN1974]

I also work in DDS. LPNs give the meds where I work.
The clients we take care of are also on self administration of medication programs.
Very few of them can actually read, so they have to be taught over again each time their orders change.
I was not familiar with what was going on in these group homes in Arkansas, until we actually got some close to where I work/live. They discharged some of our clients into these homes of two clients each, and one staff person to supervise them.
Some of the people they placed there were never on a self administer program, so I don't know how now, they are getting away with giving the clients their meds.
My SBON says the person must be able to follow the directions on the bottle, but then it goes on to say that if the person can't open the bottle, can't take the pills out, then with the person's consent, the staff person may take the appropriate number of pills out and if the person is unable to place them in their own mouth, then the staff person may place them in his/her mouth.
Heck, they might as well just go ahead and say, "Yeah, unlicensed personnel can give the meds, no problem."
The policy on this at my SBON is a joke.

[kimdd&psychRN]

Originally Posted by dingofred

For those of you working with the developmentally
disabled in a community living situation, how are
medications administered?

Wow, from what I am reading here, it seems like most states have stricter rules than Oregon in regards to who can pass medications. I did direct care for about 10 years at variuos group homes within the same agency. All direct care staff pass meds, nurse for the agency has nothing to do with it, except disposing of CS. Well, years ago part of the new employee training (which new hires often attended 2-4 weeks after starting out at a site) consisted of a med training on the five rights, practice punching out M & Ms that were blister-packed to simulate a med pass, how to record on a MAR, and how to take a telephone order. The first time I passed meds I was scared to death because I didn't know anything about the meds I was giving, their intended efffects, side-effects, etc. At least I was scared, you know? A lot of new employees pass meds very nonchalantly. Anyway, sometime in the last 3 years the OARs (Oregon Administrative Rules) have changed saying in effect that most of that training that was done at a new employee training can now be done at the sites themselves. Exactly one hour gets spent on medication training at the new employees training now, and it is not even required to be done by a RN. I see this as a problem because, of course, by the time a home gets a new hire they have been operating understaffed for a while, meaning the manager of the house has probably been filling direct-care shifts, and needless to say, a very rudimentery training takes place before that new hire is thrown into shifts. As I am now the RN for this agency, I am out at the houses of those clients who administration has decided needs a nursing care plan. One house that has five residents has been having a rash of med errors lately. Interestingly, most of them are fairly new employees. One gal said to me the other day (who has worked for at least 6 months) "I don't even know what M. A. R. stands for." Scary.

(Boy, I didn't mean to write a book!)

[sunnym]

I agree with Kim. Our state (or agency) had some lax rules.

People ith NO degrees/certificate pass meds
Of course you go to a med passing class the county offers (learn tthe 5 rights...) And have a supervisior as you set up and pass medas a few times then BAM they let you go!!!

We also had the med book highlighted and color coded
and the giver would initial
And g tube meds was shown to us by an rn who would check on the folks once a month
I often wondered how they could trust so many people to medicate them.. and with some of the folks who had to have crushed meds or thickened to different consistancies I always worried.

But one of my jobs were to count pills everymonth and calculate to ensure we recieved the correct ammount then at the end of the month to re count and double check the right ammount of meds had been passed taking in mind I&A's if an individual refused or vomited the medication out.

[smilin_gp]

I'm also in oregon, but the agency that I work for reguires CNA's to take administration classes to administer meds to DD residents. An RN/Case Manager checks the MAR weekly and is available for questions. Still lots of room for mistakes though

[HeatherLPN]

I work LTC, but am a group home medpass nurse on the side. I worked on the floor before I got my LPN, then transferred to nursing dept. We have a supervisor who works 40 hours/week and is on call, and the rest of us just come in to pass meds. We have 20 people between the 2 homes, with one tube feed. All of our people have medpass programs that are relatively simple (I think it's a state thing for funding). We just go in and spend 2 hours passing meds, check over any incident reports, sign off seizure reports, ect. I was certified to pass meds when I worked the floor, and we got a decent amount of training, but not much on when there were changes with meds or treatments. The MAR's are a mess, aminly b/c delegateds don't care. They just see it as a little extra pay. Delegateds there are mainly for outings, trips, and PRN's unless there are no nurses available to pass that day. All of us nurses have other jobs, so there are around 5 medpasses/week that are covered by delegateds. I've caught so many things that aren't marked it's ridiculous. And most of the time, they skip the creams or don't do the programs.

I don't think it's so much a problem to have delegateds pass meds, I think it's more of the staff that they choose to take the class for it. It's frustrating sometimes, but honestly, I don't work there still b/c I need to, I do it b/c I enjoy it and am attached to the people. Working MR/DD is the most rewarding thing I've ever done.

[up2funinsc]

I supervise 2 ICF/MR's and multiple CTH (community training homes) and multiple SLP (supported living placement). The ICF meds are given by licensed nurses. The others are given by staf that undergo less than 3 hours of training. There are of course multiple med errors. The agency is non-profit, but run by the state. The staff and nurses are poorly paid.