[nckdl]

I was not patronizing anyone and i'm sorry if you feel that i was. The little next door neighbor boy does have autism and i don't pity him or his family. As i said before i was just expressing my opinion just like the rest of you even though i knew it's not the same opinion. I am just stating the fact that I hear parents talking about not getting their children vaccines and i would be suprised to hear that medicaid would pay for the Non mercury vaccine since it is more expensive.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by nckdl

I was not patronizing anyone and i'm sorry if you feel that i was. The little next door neighbor boy does have autism and i don't pity him or his family. As i said before i was just expressing my opinion just like the rest of you even though i knew it's not the same opinion. I am just stating the fact that I hear parents talking about not getting their children vaccines and i would be suprised to hear that medicaid would pay for the Non mercury vaccine since it is more expensive.

And I am trying to tell you, to no avail it would appear, that thimerosal was banned from vaccines (although not recalled) starting in 1999. Medicaid has no say in the matter, if the vial doesn't contain thimerosal, they can hardly insist the child be injected with one that does. And when the mercury was banned, the NIH, IOM, CDC all told us "you'll see that mercury has nothing to do with autism, because if it did, we'd start to see autism rates level off". And now we have seen that leveling off. And the only people we're hearing from are those that continue to neglect to address the leveling off. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....

[Nurse Ratched]

Closing this thread to cool off...

[Nurse Ratched]

Reopening this thread and asking everyone to remember to debate the point, not the person.

As this is informative for those of us who may not be knowledgable on the subject (both schools of thought) we'd very much like to have it continue. Given our inability to rely on non-verbal cues here, please be mindful of how posts may sound to others when spoken aloud.

[barbara44]

thanks for re-opening the thread!

here's an article by Dr. Amy A. Yasko on the role MMR and thimerosal play in autism:

I have written at length about the role of excitotoxins in the pathogenesis of autism.1 A subsequent paper by the world expert on excitotoxins, Dr. Russell Blaylock, has substantiated this work.2 These papers illustrate that glutamate and excitotoxins are key factors in the observed behaviors and pathology of autism. However, excitotoxins are not the cause of autism, even if they are a crucial part of the pathway by which the condition progresses. In my continuing effort to understand the pathway that leads to autism, I have reason to believe that a condition of chronic viral infection exists involving all three of the viruses in the MMR vaccine. The chronic measles, mumps and rubella in these children can account for many of their symptoms. I have observed the impact of each of these viruses in these children and have found them to result in imbalances in one or more organ systems. Furthermore, it is my belief that the preservative thimerosal helps to create this problem of chronic viral infection. Thimerosal may play an even more insidious role in the development of autism beyond its role in potential mercury toxicity.

http://www.autismanswer.com/articles...himerosal.html

[grannynurse FNP student]

Originally Posted by barbara44

thanks for re-opening the thread!

here's an article by Dr. Amy A. Yasko on the role MMR and thimerosal play in autism:



http://www.autismanswer.com/articles...himerosal.html

While the article is interesting, I take issue with the individual's method of research and scientific data. She has done no double blind studies nor is her data supported by available scientific data. Mecury is a heavy metal. She contends that it is difficult to remove from the human body. There in lies a fault in her premise. As a scientiswt, she should be aware of the fact that heavy metals are almost impossible to remove from human tissue. Also, she does not address the fact that thrimerosal has been removed from all vaccines except for some flu vaccines. And she does not address the issue that since it's removal, the rate of autism has not descreased. Nor has she or any of those who support her, addressed the fact that if thrimerosal is the major cause of autism, why have not all children exhibited some signs of autism?

Autism is a tragi disease. We have improved our diagnoses of it. We are working to improve our treatment. And we are being distracted by pursuing false claims of its cause.

Grannynurse

[mercyteapot]

As to the notion that a link between mercury and autism being nonsense?

10 states are suing the Bush administration over EPA regulations and mercury levels:
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/...ap1940239.html

[lady_jezebel]

Isn't the controversy now autism & the MMR vaccine?

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by lady_jezebel

Isn't the controversy now autism & the MMR vaccine?

IMHO, "the" controversy is the one concerning mercury and thimerosal, but yes, there is also some concern about the measles portion of the MMR vaccine. Its a live virus, and live virii have been known to cause problems.

[rpggyr]

grannynurse,
Nothing could be further from the truth. I recently took my granddaughter in for her yearly physical for camp. The pediatrican noticed she had not received her last MMR. DPT, or polio. He suggested I give her a tetnus booster. I have to tell you that I no intentions of giving my granddaughter another vaccine. She ran a very high fever after her fourth DPT, had convulsions and regressed losing all speech. She did not speak again until almost five years old. When I questioned the Ped about the thimerisol he said it was out. To make a point I asked to see the vial. Low and behold the expiration date was 2005 and conatined the full 25mcg of thimerisol. Also the thimerisol free infant vaccines still contain trace amount of thimerisol as they use thimerisol in the processing. Here is another tidbit. At the last IOM meeting in Feb 2004 Dr. Mark Geier (geneticist) began testing the new infant vaccines and was finding the full amounts of thimerisol. Here is the kicker. It was not listed in the packaged inserts nor in the PDR. This is illegal. Our government agenices are not telling the truth about the timerisol. They refuse to give grants to research this issue. According to Dr. Mark Geier (who stated before the IOM) the reason they will not do this is becasue they already know. They plan on phasing out the mercury gradually Even though they are stating its already out becasue they know if they take it out all at once and the numbers of Dx autism drop this will be further proof it was the thimerisol. This would put the pharmacueticals in a bad place defending themselves against the thousands of filed lawsuits that are pending. The FDA,and the CDC is more interested in protecting the pharmaceuticals than they are the public.

Peggy

Originally Posted by grannynurseFNP

While the article is interesting, I take issue with the individual's method of research and scientific data. She has done no double blind studies nor is her data supported by available scientific data. Mecury is a heavy metal. She contends that it is difficult to remove from the human body. There in lies a fault in her premise. As a scientiswt, she should be aware of the fact that heavy metals are almost impossible to remove from human tissue. Also, she does not address the fact that thrimerosal has been removed from all vaccines except for some flu vaccines. And she does not address the issue that since it's removal, the rate of autism has not descreased. Nor has she or any of those who support her, addressed the fact that if thrimerosal is the major cause of autism, why have not all children exhibited some signs of autism?

Autism is a tragi disease. We have improved our diagnoses of it. We are working to improve our treatment. And we are being distracted by pursuing false claims of its cause.

Grannynurse