[lady_jezebel]

[rpggyr]

I am a 52 year old grandmother raising a vaccine damaged granddaughter. I recently took my granddaughter in to a new Pediatrician (changed Insurances) He read her records and saw she had not recievd her last DPT, Poio, or MMR. I stopped any and all vaccines after she had convultions following her fourth DPT. By the way up until this time my granddaughter was perfectly normal. She lost what language she had, and regressed. After three complete neuropsych evals she was Dx with PDD/NOS. I knew I was in for a battle. The discussion turned to Thimerisol. This Ped was very arrogant and demeaning, saying that all the thimerisol was out of the vaccines. I insisted on seeing the vial. Low and behold the expiration date was 2005. The full amount of thimerisol was in it (25mcg). They have been lying to all of us. They are still using thimerisol (supposedly in trace amounts) to make the current vaccines. They have not recalled the vaccines with the full amounts, apprently they are still making them. The Pediatricians are either lying or don't check the stocks when they are coming in. I would advise any of you getting vaccines or giving them to your children to demand to see the vials. I point blank told this Ped that my granddaughter would not be receiving any more vaccines for anything thimerisol or no thimerisol. These vaccines are destroying our childrens immune system. I have never seen such a generation of sick children as this one. They are out of control with these vaccines. My granddaughter got the chickenpox vaccine and came down with them anyway, she also came down with shingles. Now they are working on a shingles vaccine. This will most likely be mandated for children as well. Its a case of create the disease and then come up with the vaccine. Lots of money for a the very corrupt Pharmaceuticals. Our chilren have become a captive market.

Peggy

Originally Posted by lisamc1

I suspect the same as you, that the increase in the amount of vaccines that were/are being given is a culprit in the increase in autism. I am very greatful that thimeresol is no longer used in most vaccines and I hope that the results are that less children develop autism spectrum disorders. It is sad though, that while we are removing thimeresol from U.S vaccines, the ones we ship to other countries still contain it. Why? If we have suspicions of problems with thimeresol (and we do) then why on earth would we ship it out to other people's children?

[blueheaven]

I think the arguement that "we are just diagnosing it more" is a crock of doo doo too!! I often wonder if the vaccinations that my brother (7 years younger) received didn't cause his autism too. He had so many different diagnosis through the years that it isn't funny. To me autism fits his patterns better than any of them. As the years went on it seemed like more children were being born with it. AMEN PR on the pharmaceutical companies!!!!

[fergus51]

As far as I knew there still hasn't been a large scale study to show a link. The only studies there had done were all retrospetive ones. A lot of things have changed in the last 30 years other than vaccines.

[mercyteapot]

Did someone say there was a large scale study to show a link? The naysayers are all starting to think long and hard about protesting the very notion that a link might exist, however, since preliminary numbers from CA Dept of Developmental Services indicate a slight drop in the rate of autism dx. So whatever else has changed in the last 30 years, the only suspected cause of autism that has been addressed is that mercury has been taken out of many vaccines (although apparently not all of them).

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,3202137.story

July 13, 2005

The number of newly diagnosed cases of autism in California, which had been skyrocketing for more than a decade, has leveled off and may even be declining, according to new data compiled by the state Department of Developmental Services.

Although the total number of autistic children receiving special education services from the state continues to grow — bringing the current total to 28,046 — the rate of increase peaked in 2002 and has dropped slightly since then.

The findings are important because California has the best reporting system for autism in the United States and is generally considered a bellwether for the rest of the country.

Experts do not have a good explanation for the slowdown in new cases.

"Perhaps whatever caused [the number of cases] to go up — environmental insult, or whatever — is no longer present," said Dr. Robert Hendren, executive director of the UC Davis MIND Institute, which researches neurodevelopmental disorders. "It's all speculation. I wish we had good studies."

Parent activist Rick Rollens of Sacramento, who played a key role in the creation of the MIND Institute, said that the trend roughly corresponds to the removal of mercury preservatives from pediatric vaccines. Many activist groups say that the use of mercury in the vaccines caused the sudden increase in autism cases. Federal scientists, however, have continually said that the evidence does not support such a link.

The state data do not include children under the age of 3. According to the department, about 90% of all autistic children are entered into the system before the age of 6.

That means, Rollens said, that children born since 1999, about the time that mercury was phased out of vaccines, are just now entering the system. The slowdown could thus reflect the change in vaccination practices.

"We can argue till the cows come home about what caused the increase," Rollens said, but the bottom line is that the increase is slowing.

California guarantees access to special education for all children diagnosed with autism and other developmental problems. Thus, the state's data are considered particularly reliable.

According to the state data, 2002 was a record year for new autism diagnoses, with 3,259 cases. In 2003, the number of new cases slipped to 3,125. In 2004, the number was 3,074.

For the first half of 2005, there were 1,470 new cases, compared to 1,518 in the same period in 2004.

"The interesting thing is that, before 2002, every quarterly report had shown an increase over the previous year," Rollens said. "Now, that is no longer the case."

[fergus51]

I'm not a "naysayer" MTP, just someone who cares about research before I can claim something and I want to stay current. They've been talking about this possible link for years and years, so I'm surprised there haven't been any concrete studies done to prove it.

[sgent]

I wish someone would point out some research....

Thermisol, the form used in vaccines, is not chemically reactive, and is expelled from our body in a matter of days. Ethyl Mercury is the stuff that is dangerous because it bonds with our neurons, and remains there essentially forever (about 1% a yr is expelled).

There has been no study showing a definative link, and multiple studies of thousands of children showing no link at all. These have been done in Japan & Europe, as well as the US, and have been government funded (not at behest of drug companies).

Finally, the amount of thermisol was cut to 1/100th of its then current amount in 1998, and yet there is no decrease in the diagnosis of autism (usually diagnosed between 2-3). No one has made a credible argument, backed by science, that thermisol is a contributing factor in autism.

That being said, their IS some evidence that the ETHYL Mercury found in our drinking water and in the air from coal exhaust may be responsible for this increase.

[fergus51]

Originally Posted by sgent

There has been no study showing a definative link, and multiple studies of thousands of children showing no link at all. These have been done in Japan & Europe, as well as the US, and have been government funded (not at behest of drug companies).

This is why I was asking if there were any new studies out showing a link. We often discuss immunization with the parents on our unit and I don't want to be giving them outdated information. Immunization is a particularly important issue for our premies.

[rpggyr]

That is a very interesting question. Why is it that every study that the CDC, and NIH have done has been hopelessly flawed. There is another interesting thought. The fact that 1 in out of 166 have autism is another question. The argument is why don't all children who have received vaccines with thimerisol become autistic. Some say its genetic. I don't buy that. They have all forgotten the fact that 1 out of every 6 kids have some form of neurological disability if you add in the ADD/ADHDs, all the milder learning disbilitys the numbers are staggering. My feeling is if they kept adding vaccines to the schedule that contained thimerisol more and more would have been effected. To me its a question of where each individuals toxic tipping point is. If you add enough poison at some point everyone would have been effected. The reason why they have not done the studies is because they already know its the thimerisol. They are not about to admit that their sacred cow damaged a generation of children. If you ask me the minute they added up the mercury and found the amounts these infants where getting they should have pulled all the vaccines with thimerisol off the shelf. The fact that they did not do is is criminal. Who said Mengala was dead. They should be in jail. I have reached the point were I don't believe a thing the CDC, FDA, IOM, NIH, WHO, ETC, ETC says. They are corrupt as hell.

Peggy

Originally Posted by fergus51

As far as I knew there still hasn't been a large scale study to show a link. The only studies there had done were all retrospetive ones. A lot of things have changed in the last 30 years other than vaccines.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by sgent

Finally, the amount of thermisol was cut to 1/100th of its then current amount in 1998, and yet there is no decrease in the diagnosis of autism (usually diagnosed between 2-3).
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The California Department of Developmental Services isn't a credible source? They say that there has been a decrease in autism. Might you be able to post credible information that disputes the data from the L.A. Times article referenced above? I thought not.