[Michele G.]

Originally Posted by MyBlueSky

ADNs are one of the reasons nursing cannot be considered a profession

That is so not true. No matter what initals are behind our names, we all took the same test, and all of us are RN's (maybe I am smarter than a BSN nurse becasue I was able to pass the NCLEX with 2 years of education...LOL). No matter how much education any of us had, we are RN's and an RN is a PROFESSION no matter what...hence the new name REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL NURSE.

Beware MyBlueSky I was nice, you may come accoss some others that might be very agnry with what you said!!!
I guess since you are still a student you have a lot to learn. If you needed a minimum of a BSN degree to be a nurse, then we would be in trouble, we would have even more of a greater shortage, and healthcare would not be the same.
Michele

[Marie_LPN, RN]

Originally Posted by MyBlueSky

ADNs are one of the reasons nursing cannot be considered a profession

You DO have actual evidence, links, research, etc. to PROVE this, right??

I agree with the ANA in that the BSN should be the minimum level of education.

I get the distinct impression you have that degree already.


I swear, i think the MAIN issue with the degrees is some of the opinions of those that already have the BSNs. Not all, but SOME.

[MyBlueSky]

No I'm currently a nursing student at a university. I am not degrading ADNs at all! I'm just saying the ana for 40 years now has been pushing for the BSN to be the entry level nursing degree.
Let me define the qualifications for a profession:
Higher education
Vital to human welfare
Autonomous
Code of Ethics
Entry level education
Service over personal gain
Adequate Compensation
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Now nurisng meets most of these qualifications except two: entry level education and autonomous.
Professions have at least 4 years of college education which nursing does not.
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Nursing is NOT officially a profession.
It is a professional career.
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I think you all have the misconception that I don't think adns are qualified that is not the case. I have much respect for all nurses i was just pointing out that fact

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Please Michele G. Don't degrade or belittle anyone because you were able to pass the nclex with 2 years of education. You are one person, everyone is different. Some people are just bad test takers...

[tfunkrn]

Originally Posted by *PICURN*

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i didn't know they had a BSN course on "talking to medical professionals"....damn should have taken that one....

I have known for quite some time you need to take a Bull Sh#t Nicely course before talking to other medical professionals.. ROTFLMAO!!
(Don't hate me too much.. I just joined the forum)

[tfunkrn]

Originally Posted by MyBlueSky

ADNs are one of the reasons nursing cannot be considered a profession
I agree with the ANA in that the BSN should be the minimum level of education.

Then I guess you wouldn't mind handling both yours and my patient loads?

[elizzy]

Originally Posted by MyBlueSky

ADNs are one of the reasons nursing cannot be considered a profession
I agree with the ANA in that the BSN should be the minimum level of education.

So you're saying my ASN degree doesn't make me a professional?

I think you should wait a while before you start making those kind of observations and conclusions. At least until you finish your education. I'm sure there are several, including myself, ASN's that could nurse circles around you!

You asked for it!

[MyBlueSky]

Originally Posted by elizzy

So you're saying my ASN degree doesn't make me a professional?

I think you should wait a while before you start making those kind of observations and conclusions. At least until you finish your education. I'm sure there are several, including myself, ASN's that could nurse circles around you!

You asked for it!

why does everyone see me as the enemy here?
I was just simply stating THE FACT that nursing is NOT officially recognized as a profession because they do not meet the criteria because of the associate degree program. Why is that so hard to accept?
I never said that I think ADNS are less qualified or never meant anything malicious by saying that. Can you find a line where I stated that I think ADNS are not professionals, made an attack on ADNS, or they said are less qualified? You are the ones who are attacking me for just stating pure facts. Why are all of the ADNS becoming so defensive all of a sudden?

[tfunkrn]

Originally Posted by MyBlueSky

No I'm currently a nursing student at a university. I am not degrading ADNs at all! I'm just saying the ana for 40 years now has been pushing for the BSN to be the entry level nursing degree.
Let me define the qualifications for a profession:
Higher education
Vital to human welfare
Autonomous
Code of Ethics
Entry level education
Service over personal gain
Adequate Compensation
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Now nurisng meets most of these qualifications except two: entry level education and autonomous.
Professions have at least 4 years of college education which nursing does not.

I beg to differ with the education aspect.. How is taking a few more courses in humanities going to make me more 'professional' or 'autonomous'?
May I offer you a piece of advice, since you are a nursing student working on your BSN? One of the main things I have seen, that have put many patients in jeopordy, is the Graduate BSN (and a few ADN's) that fails to ask questions when in doubt from the experienced RN mentor (that very well may be a BSN or an ADN).. They are afraid that it makes them look 'stupid'.. This is definitely not the case.. There are times I will question an order and bounce it off of one of my colleages. Remember one thing.. Just because a Physician orders something, you are held just as liable for carrying out an order that is potentially dangerous to the patient.. (I work in a teaching hospital)

[SmilingBluEyes]

Originally Posted by Michele G.

I dont know what you are talking about, because I did have 2 years of clinical experience, and I dont have a BSN. Also, in Florida the BSN program only gave their students 1 year of clinical experience, and they were only on the floor for 4 hours 2x a week, in my program we were on the floors for atleast 8 hours sometimes full shifts (12hrs) 2-3 times a week. I know of some people who wished they went to my school instead of the BSN school, because we did learn more, and the school was well known for it's nursing program. All the hospitals we went to, the nurses rather have a student from our school than one from the BSN school, taking care of their patients. I worked with some BSN students who just don't know as much as the ASN nurses, so it really comes down to experience!!!
I know so many people who did not graduate from college and are 10x smarter than people with BSN and Master degrees, and that is becasue they worked 10x harder and have more experience, since they have been working since they were teenagers. I have a friend who has a BSN degree in education and going for her masters, and I really hate to say it, but she is not the smartest person around, she is very nieve and has no street smarts. I also have a friend who is a Medical Assistant, who has been doing it for many years, and she sometimes knows more than I do. Once again, it is not about how much education you have, it all comes down to EXPERIENCE!!!

Michele

I guess you don't know what I am talking about. I am sorry.

I meant the ACCELERATED STUDENTS who spend ONE YEAR IN NURSING SCHOOL do not have the clinical experiences generic ADN/BSN students do. Does that clear it up? Thanks for letting me try and clarify myself.

[MyBlueSky]

Originally Posted by mommyfunk

I beg to differ with the education aspect.. How is taking a few more courses in humanities going to make me more 'professional' or 'autonomous'?
May I offer you a piece of advice, since you are a nursing student working on your BSN? One of the main things I have seen, that have put many patients in jeopordy, is the Graduate BSN (and a few ADN's) that fails to ask questions when in doubt from the experienced RN mentor (that very well may be a BSN or an ADN).. They are afraid that it makes them look 'stupid'.. This is definitely not the case.. There are times I will question an order and bounce it off of one of my colleages. Remember one thing.. Just because a Physician orders something, you are held just as liable for carrying out an order that is potentially dangerous to the patient.. (I work in a teaching hospital)

Yes this is very true. In fact that is a misconception. Nurses do in fact have autonomy because they CHOOSE whether or not they need to carry out an order or not but it is still seen as a subservient role to a physician. I think society needs to open their eyes. Also nurses are rarely quoted in the media. Even if it has to do directly with the patient they still quote the physician. I think nurses deserve more recognition for their work.