[olichi]

How do nurses feel about nursing shortage. Is it affecting patient care. what are the ethics of nursing shortage.

[Geeg]

There are plenty of FORMER nurses in this country. There is only a shortage of nurses who will work under unbearable, unsafe conditions. Let's suppose one million trained nurses became available for employment tomorrow; hospitals would still maintain the minimum staffing levels to keep the bucks rolling in.

[satinsilver888]

I think the nursing shortage would still continue because of the growing population of our elderly, also I know of some nurses who change their profession because of stress

[traumamomtx]

I just read something the other day that was talking about the nursing shortage in Florida. They found out that there were more nurses not practicing then nurses practicing in the state. That's crazy when you have more nurses choosing not to work in nursing then the ones that are. If that isn't a sign that things need to change I don't know what is. I know that nursing has changed so much and not for the benefit of nurses or our patients that the older nurses constantly say "I can't wait till I retire" and the younger ones are constantly talking about "going into other areas of medical fields to get off the floors" .

[flasandy42]

<<< I know that nursing has changed so much and not for the benefit of nurses or our patients that the older nurses constantly say "I can't wait till I retire" and the younger ones are constantly talking about "going into other areas of medical fields to get off the floors>>>

I've been a nurse for 40 years and have seen so many negative changes in nursing that I was one of those saying "I can't WAIT to retire!" I was beaten down by working 12-hr shifts on a med/surg floor with 8-9 pts a day.....especially after HCA bought us. They are the worst! I finally retired from hospital nursing two years ago and I started part-time home health nursing and finally feel like a real nurse. My pts get REAL care, which makes me feel really good and so much happier. I've had my pts for 6 months now. I do private duty 8-hr shifts 3 days a week and visits on other days. I am finally a happy camper. I'd starve before going back to the hospital.

[pricklypear]

There is NO shortage. Nursing schools are cranking out just as many grads as they always have. People are standing in line to get into school, waiting years to be accepted. The "Shortage" is nothing more than propaganda put out by hospitals and nursing homes to excuse their poor staffing practices. They'd much rather have the public think that they (hospitals and nursing homes) are doing everything they can to staff safely, but can't find any nurses to do so. When in reality, there could be thousands of nurses beating the doors down while staffing levels remain low enough for the CEOs to take home their 6 digit paycheck.

This isn't going to change until 1 of 2 things happen:

1) Nurses somehow find a way to take control of our profession (like a nurse's union, such as teachers have) with organized collective barganing.

2) The public becomes educated enough about exactly what nurses do on a daily basis, and how much their safety actually depends on nurse to patient ratio as opposed to how good their doctor is, or what kind of cool diagnostic machines their hospital has. When they realize that the hospital itself is responsible for maintaining inadequate staffing, and compromising patient safety for the almighty dollar, they have the power to change it. Insurance companies and hospital exectutives are getting richer every day at their expense, and on our licenses.

Whew, now climbing down off my box...

[ocankhe]

Stay on your soap box pricklypear.
Education of the public about what nursing is and how much better off they are with the correct patient to nurse ratios is paramount. Of course wages and benefits that appropriate for the professional responsibilities we have would also be helpful.
Seach the forums here for Silence to Voice by Suzanne Gordon. It will give you useful information on how to make educating the public about nursing part of our daily lives.

[MadRN]

The ongoing nursing shortage in the US is made worse by the lengthy process that internationally trained nurses have to go through to be permitted to work in the US. I am both CGFNS & NCLEX certified since Aug '05. Due to the lengthy wait for I-140 Schedule A approval (California service centre) i am still waiting to move to the US. My application was transferred to the Texas service centre on Mar 22nd so who knows how much longer it will take. Immigration certainly does not do the nursing shortage any favours.

[hope3456]

The licensing process isn't that much easier for American nurses, not for new grads waiting to get the original license, nor to transfer from state to state. I've heard the state boards are backlogged - they don't have enough help either, but maybe that is an excuse too.

I'm with the previous posters, there really isn't a nursing shortage in the U.S. Only a shortage of U.S. nurses willing to put up with unsafe working conditions.

[buddiage]

Originally Posted by pricklypear

There is NO shortage. Nursing schools are cranking out just as many grads as they always have. People are standing in line to get into school, waiting years to be accepted. The "Shortage" is nothing more than propaganda put out by hospitals and nursing homes to excuse their poor staffing practices. They'd much rather have the public think that they (hospitals and nursing homes) are doing everything they can to staff safely, but can't find any nurses to do so. When in reality, there could be thousands of nurses beating the doors down while staffing levels remain low enough for the CEOs to take home their 6 digit paycheck.

This isn't going to change until 1 of 2 things happen:

1) Nurses somehow find a way to take control of our profession (like a nurse's union, such as teachers have) with organized collective barganing.

2) The public becomes educated enough about exactly what nurses do on a daily basis, and how much their safety actually depends on nurse to patient ratio as opposed to how good their doctor is, or what kind of cool diagnostic machines their hospital has. When they realize that the hospital itself is responsible for maintaining inadequate staffing, and compromising patient safety for the almighty dollar, they have the power to change it. Insurance companies and hospital exectutives are getting richer every day at their expense, and on our licenses.

Whew, now climbing down off my box...

*whew* Boy, after reading your post, I think we should all close in prayer.

People ARE lined up to go to school. But there are only so many schools to fit nursing students. If it were more available, I doubt the nursing shortage would be as bad.