[Alois Wolf]

Now... this is how I feel and I'm looking forward to other's opinions regarding the matter:

I consider Nursing to be a science and religion should have no part in the treatment we give patients. Since as a future nurse, I know that I will have to deal with pt. from all different backgrounds, as a nurse, I would have a problem not giving a pt. a life saving treatment due to his/her personal beliefs. I would not do it, out of respect, but as far as my own morals go, I would feel incredibly remorseful. The first one that comes to mind is Jehovah's Witnesses refusal of blood transfusions.

I'm not trying to down religious nurses out there, because I consider myself to be a very spiritual person as well, but when it comes to the Nursing profession, unless a pt. request to go to a religious hospital/facility, religion should have nothing to do with the treatment they receive. I'm very torn on the issue and again I'm looking for honest, educated, and/or philosophical opinions to help me decide on this issue.

PS I'm looking for a discussion on this subject, so feel free to go off on tangents away from my personal questions... within reason.

[Kyrshamarks]

I normally do not agree with you on anything but on this I have to agree with you completely.

[Jolie]

Illness and other life-changing events (birth, death) are times when people tend to turn to religion for "answers", guidance, comfort, etc. While I don't believe that it is within the scope of nursing practice to "minister" to a patient, I do believe that we must be respectful of others' religious beliefs and attempt to incorporate their religious beliefs into their care. This may be as simple as dietary choices, private time for prayer, allowing the presence of a religious symbol, or contacting clergy to visit a patient, or as complex as respecting a patient's wishes to decline a treatment (blood, vaccine, transplant) once they have had the risks and benefits fully explained to them. I don't believe that it is ever appropriate for a nurse to provide religious "counseling", or attempt to persuade a patient to accept any particular religious faith.

I have practiced in both religious and non-religious hospitals, and found the staff at the religious facility to be somewhat more understanding and accepting of patients' faith beliefs and requests. I think that had to do with the training provided during orientation regarding supporting patients' beliefs, regardless of their faith.

[Tweety]

I'm very scientific minded myself and consider nursing a science.

I also strongly believe in patient centered holistic care. This includes addressing the patients spiritual condition and needs, and keeping my beliefs out of it.

Catastrophic illness and injury, as well as like was mentioned above birth, etc. are times when our patients are going to turn to their spiritual beliefs and we should non-judgementally support them.

If a person's religion states they are to receive no blood transfusions even if it kills them there is nothing I can do about that, and I decline to judge them or their religion. If someone, and this has happened to me, believes that laying smelly cabbage over a wounded area and praying helps heal, I'm not going to interfere. Am I going to personally lay the cabbage and pray? No I'm not because I'm a scientist and I don't believe it will help, but allowing them their beliefs is paramount.

I also support our religious peers who when asked by the patients to pray for them, actually do pray with them. This is nursing in my opinion as well. I'm talking when a patient asks for it, not shoving their religion down their throats. Again, it's not my thing and if a patient asks I'll gently steer them towards the chaplain.

[MNmom3boys]

I think Tweety nailed it on the head w/ the "patient centered holistic care"

A patient's beliefs are are part of them, and directly shape how they react to events in their lives - those morals, values, spiritual thoughts (whatever you refer to them as...) cannot (and will not) be checked at the door. They not only are an intergral part of every patient in some form or another, but they also affect how the patient will react to you. Your job is to check your religious (or not) beliefs at the door and meet them where they are w/out judgement and realizing you are taking care of a whole person with individual needs, not a just member of a belief system.

Whether we like it or not science, healthcare and religion cannot be completely detached from each other mostly because we are treating people who have thoughts, feelings and values about all three things.

[MNmom3boys]

BTW - (as per normal, thought of this after I posted...)
I would also submit that nursing is an art as well as a science. And part of that "art" is showing compassion for those we are caring for whether we share their belief system or not.

[Alois Wolf]

*nods* I agree as well that nursing is an artistic science. I really appreciate everyone's comments on this subject.

I think it's correct that ones spiritual beliefs can have such a profound effect on someone that it can actually complement the medical care that they are receiving (whether you want to believe in a Higher Power, or power of suggestion is up to you).

Though I may disagree with their reasoning, I now see how my hands must be tied when it comes to a pt. wishes and as a future nurse who will try to keep a scientific mind, I think it would be hypocritical of me to place my own "feelings" and "beliefs" into another pt. self-advocated care.

[Ivanna_Nurse]

Hey all... I also agree that nursing is a science, but I also have to say that there is the holistic portion, as Tweety has mentioned. When some one is diagnosed with cancer, I help alleviate the physical pain with scientific interventions. There is no scientific intervention that is going to help alleviate anxiety, fear, heartache, anger or any other emotional aspect. This is where the non science part lies. I know that I dont need to be scientific to empathetic, to hold their hand show that I care and to be a spiritual person, However... I DO need the empathy, caring and spirituality in myself to be a nurse. For me, science alone just isn't enough. There are lots of days when I go home and I pray for my patients, and their families. I pray for myself too; to have the knowledge and use the science as well as the tenderness. Sometimes, tenderness goes where science will never reach. Just my thoughts... Cheers~ Ivanna

[Alois Wolf]

Originally Posted by Ivanna_Nurse

Hey all... I also agree that nursing is a science, but I also have to say that there is the holistic portion, as Tweety has mentioned. When some one is diagnosed with cancer, I help alleviate the physical pain with scientific interventions. There is no scientific intervention that is going to help alleviate anxiety, fear, heartache, anger or any other emotional aspect. This is where the non science part lies. I know that I dont need to be scientific to empathetic, to hold their hand show that I care and to be a spiritual person, However... I DO need the empathy, caring and spirituality in myself to be a nurse. For me, science alone just isn't enough. There are lots of days when I go home and I pray for my patients, and their families. I pray for myself too; to have the knowledge and use the science as well as the tenderness. Sometimes, tenderness goes where science will never reach. Just my thoughts... Cheers~ Ivanna

Good thoughts and you're right. Science aside, apart of being a nurse is being empathetic, caring and supportive of your patients situation. Spiritual or not, those are definite qualities that I think every human being, nurse or not, should have.

[Sabby_NC]

I think Tweety nailed it on the head w/ the "patient centered holistic care"

Nailed it for me to.

The bottom line is you must feel completely satisfied with who you are.

Nursing encompasses so much more than it used too due to scientific research in all areas of nursing. These changes have enabled us to better learn how to care and work more effectively.

We use the sciences to better treat or cure illnesses but at the same time we, as nurses, need to be prepared for anything that will be outside the 'realm' of scientifically based nursing care.

RESPECTING what ever our patients wish to do or not to do.

Depending on your spiritual/ religious beliefs you can pray for those patients if it is your thing and you are comfortable. Or do as Tweety suggested and contact the Chaplain.

Learning all you can about patient rites, religious differences do and will encroach on your nursing skills and how you handle these will be paramount to the care of the patient.

This is the 21st century and patients are well versed in their rights as a patient how they choose to have their care delivered.

Working together as a Team with the ultimate goal of our patients in mind will, hopefully, deliver the best care out there and the knowledge that 'we' did it all for the people we choose to look after.