[TazziRN]

Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006

You can not predict that. You don't know where she was in her illness. Even if she were treated properly, urgently, and treated the first time she came through-she could have still died.

That's a very naive statement.

No, actually it's not. If the nurse had done what she was supposed to do, the pt would have had a better chance of survival. Since she died so quickly chances are she would not have survived anyway, but (to quote you) we don't know that. By not being assessed she had no chance.

[cardiacRN2006]

Better chance at survival? Yes. But to say that "If the nurse did what she was supposed to do, Ms. Rodriquez would still be alive today" ....is indeed naive--at best.




And I never said the nurse wasn't at fault. I said she wasn't SOLEY at fault.

[TazziRN]

Okay, I'll give you that.

[chuck1234]

Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006

You can not predict that. You don't know where she was in her illness. Even if she were treated properly, urgently, and treated the first time she came through-she could have still died.

That's a very naive statement.

That is true...
But she never had a chance...
I agree that even as simple as central line insertion, patients do die; and it is already happened to 2 of my patients.
But the most important thing is whether she had a chance or not.
If not, death is ensured to be followed...100% guarantee.

[TazziRN]

Chuck, you're right, the pt was mistreated, but you can't lay the blame all at the nurse's feet. She carries a large part of the blame but so does the doc who discharged her. As quickly as she died, she probably would have died even if the nurse had taken her right back, but she never should have been discharged in the first place.

[chuck1234]

Originally Posted by CuriousMe

It's inflammatory statements like the one above that made me question your experience. You're doing nothing to make folks want to take you seriously with statements like this.

Well OK, I can't speak for "folks" but I know it makes me not take you seriously.

Peace,
Cathie

OK....really going back to studying this time

That is OK to me...
I did not want to join the conversation at the beginning; however, after I saw a few nurses stated that we were not there and we should not judge the ER nurse. And that is how I joined the conversation, if you have time, you read the entire thread, you will find out one nurse posted a statement a while ago and said that he/she never stated there is no wrong doing on the ER nurse...if you read the entire thread, his/her point of view has changed, especially after he/she found out the ER nurse has resigned.
Anyhow, I am happy she/he has changed...so I can go to sleep tonight.

[P_RN]

Shall we either close this oone or return to the main event? The lady in the ER. Immigration had nothing to do with her situation. OK. Take immigration to the off topic/breakroom or current events. OK?

[cardiacRN2006]

Originally Posted by chuck1234

That is OK to me...
I did not want to join the conversation at the beginning; however, after I saw a few nurses stated that we were not there and we should not judge the ER nurse. And that is how I joined the conversation, if you have time, you read the entire thread, you will find out one nurse posted a statement a while ago and said that he/she never stated there is no wrong doing on the ER nurse...if you read the entire thread, his/her point of view has changed, especially after he/she found out the ER nurse has resigned.
Anyhow, I am happy she/he has changed...so I can go to sleep tonight.

No actually, you jumped back in with the whole "we're all illegal" comments.

I've read all of the thread, and I didn't see where anyone changed their mind. For the record, I still think it was the fault of the Dr. If you are implying that I changed my mind after the nurse resigned, then you are wrong. The nurse resigning means nothing to me or my opinion.

Again, I will say that my opinion is that it was the fault of the 2 doctors who discharged her previously. She died within 45 minutes of her return. I don't believe that she would have survived. The nurse should have assessed her, but just because she fell to the ground doesn't give her a pass to the front of the list. We don't know, nor will we ever know what really happend. We don't know that she wasn't assessed, we don't know that she hadn't been seen because there were more urgent patients in front of her, and we don't know why the Dr's discharged her only 3 hours prior.



If there is fault to blame, it's with the Drs. (that way, everbody knows my opinion, and won't confuse it and/or construe it meet their needs- )

[TazziRN]

PRN, I agree the topic has gotten pulled off direction, but Trudy started a thread about ERs being impacted with illegal immigrants and her thread was merged into the one about King-Drew.

[cardiacRN2006]

Originally Posted by P_RN

Shall we either close this oone or return to the main event? The lady in the ER. Immigration had nothing to do with her situation. OK. Take immigration to the off topic/breakroom or current events. OK?

I'm thinking we all have our opinions on what happened. Some of us want to not jump the gun and convict a fellow nurse, and some of us want to seen her "rot in jail' or "burn".

People forget that simple mistake that we are all capable of making can land us in similiar situations. I would hate to know that my fellow nurses are posting my name on a message board, and hanging me out to dry, should I ever make a mistake...