[NursingAgainstdaOdds]

Hi all!

My director just informed us today that after the JCAHO inspection they're rolling out a new rapid response team whereby the family of a pt calls the rapid response if they feel they are not being listened to and their family member is decompensating. I know this is being used in a lot of facilities, I'm curious what your experiences have been - both positive and negative?

[woody62]

Originally Posted by NursingAgainstdaOdds

Hi all!

My director just informed us today that after the JCAHO inspection they're rolling out a new rapid response team whereby the family of a pt calls the rapid response if they feel they are not being listened to and their family member is decompensating. I know this is being used in a lot of facilities, I'm curious what your experiences have been - both positive and negative?

I underwent surgery, in January, and a rapid response team was called on me, when my blood pressure bottom out. But it was called by the nurse responsible for my care during the night. A N.P., Respiratory Therapist, a R.N. from ICU and a physician from the ER responded. I was examined, asked questions and they ran a bolus of 500 cc of Normal Saline in to see if they could force my blood pressure up. It did rise some but not a enough and I was put on a 1000 cc of Normal Saline, as well as had a 12 lead EKG done. The EKG showed nothing, other then a very rapid heart beat. My doctor came in later to see me. And he asked for a medical consult. By the time the consult showed up my blood pressure was up to 106/68 and he could find nothing wrong to explain the low pressure. After checking me out, he allowed me to go home.

It was my first and only experience with such a team. I found them to be through, efficent and knowledgeable, although a bit stumped by my low pressure. When they were called, my pressure was 50/20. Since this is not a teaching hospital, it was nice to know they had instituted something like this in order to avoid a patient going into a code.

Woody

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

You have got to be kidding me.

Well, after years of observing the kind of things that families get hysterical about, this should be fun.

God help us.

[woody62]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

You have got to be kidding me.

Well, after years of observing the kind of things that families get hysterical about, this should be fun.

God help us.

I believe it is a good thing, especially in non-teaching hospitals without house officers. It brings into play a neutral third party to evaluate the patient. And it takes some of the stress off the nursing staff. I worked in a community hospital where such a team would have been a God sent, especially when the attending refused to come in and left me handling a patient in septic shock and two worried adult daughters. If such a team had existed then, I could have called it and I am sure they would have made the physician come in to see his patient.

Woody

[bethin]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

You have got to be kidding me.

Well, after years of observing the kind of things that families get hysterical about, this should be fun.

God help us.

Ditto. We have rapid response where I work but it's called by an employee, not a family member.

I had a daughter run up to me hysterical because her mother was smiling in her sleep and she thought this was strange. No joke. Another was concerned because her father was drooling in his sleep. I guess concerned isn't the right word. More like ready to call 911 herself.

Imagine if they had called the response team themselves.

[Angie O'Plasty, RN]

OK, that's completely over the top.

Is this another customer service initiative or is this another ploy to deskill nursing?


Don't those idiots realize that lives will be lost due to the increased strain on hospital resources?

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

Originally Posted by woody62

I believe it is a good thing, especially in non-teaching hospitals without house officers. It brings into play a neutral third party to evaluate the patient. And it takes some of the stress off the nursing staff. I worked in a community hospital where such a team would have been a God sent, especially when the attending refused to come in and left me handling a patient in septic shock and two worried adult daughters. If such a team had existed then, I could have called it and I am sure they would have made the physician come in to see his patient.

Woody

RRT are indeed a good thing. I have utilized their services on more than one occasion. That's not my issue with this; it's that the OP states families would be calling in the team, not the nursing staff.

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

Originally Posted by Angie O'Plasty, RN

OK, that's completely over the top.

Is this another customer service initiative or is this another ploy to deskill nursing?


Don't those idiots realize that lives will be lost due to the increased strain on hospital resources?

And just when I thought hospital administrations couldn't get any more clueless...

[woody62]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

RRT are indeed a good thing. I have utilized their services on more than one occasion. That's not my issue with this; it's that the OP states families would be calling in the team, not the nursing staff.

I've read the responses belittling a family member's concern. But that brings another question into play. What is wrong with a nurse who cannot explain why a patient is smiling in her sleep or another one is drooling. When I worked, I frequently explained what I was doing and why to a family member, if the patient was unconscious. It helped relieve a lot of stress for the family. When I was high by a big rig and bought into a community hospitals ER, in critical condition, I later found out my daughter, who was in a nursing program, was not even given the simplest explanations of my injuries or what was being done to me and why.

Last July, I was transported to another community hospital, in septic shock, with acute renal failure, a K of 15, acute gastritis and pneumonia. The ER doctor and nurse, took the time to explain what they had found, what they were planning on doing and what they had done. I spent twenty one days in ICU and whenever my daughter came in, my nurse would explain what had transpired over the previous twenty-four hours, what I had undergone and why and my present state. My daughter was impressed with the knowledge of the nurses and their care and attention for both me and her. And unlike the previous seventeen episode, she didn't have to call my old boss for an explanation.

Families can be a pain. Families can be unreasonable. Families can be demanding. But I found when I worked, all they really wanted was to know what was happening to their love one. And that someone else cared about the outcome. Most of the time, families are demanding because they are generally viewed as a pain by the staff. And if you think you can hide your attitude, think again. And I am willing to bet the farm on this, that most nurses do not want a family member anywhere near a patient when they are circling the drain or in a CODE. And despite studies that have shown that when an individual is appointed to accompany a family member and explain what is happening, the family is much calmer and doesn't get in the way.

Woody

[Nursebarebari]

Yes, we have a rapid response team at my job and it almost like a code when you call -bunch of doctors, icu nurses, and resp therapist. Staff members are the ones that initiate it. Hmm, if family members are allowed to call RRT at my job, trust me there will be many calls at one time on my floor; it will look like a joke. One family member called 911 that a nurse refused to ambulate her 96 year old mother 2 days after hip surgery; that was a pt with parkinson disease with an order to be ambulated by PT only. One called the attending and reported that I refused to cut her fathers hair- this is hospital by the way.
I think it will be a bad idea to introduce this at my job :d own:.