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Old Dec 03, 2004, 02:55 PM
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The person at the DMV told me not to check off organ donor on my driver's liscence because, he said, that would make the doctor less willing to save your life.
This statement by the 'medical professional' at the DMV is totally wrong and infuriates me, to say the least.
I have been witness to organ donation in my ICU. The doctors are mostly impartial, and at times reluctant to involve the organ network. Although inappropriate IMO, a few docs don't like the idea of releasing control of their patient. This comes from the resulting 'change in command' when a patient is converted to organ donor status, the RN's from the organ network come in and take complete control over the patient's care. They write orders and consults until the dontation process is completed - which, BTW can take 12-24hrs or more. It's not "instant". We aren't killing people to take their organs, as some lay people tend to imagine.

It is, in fact, a very difficult ordeal for ALL involved - from the family, nurses caring for the patient, the doctor that must tell the family of their loved one's BRAIN DEATH. It's a very involved and time-consuming process that no one takes light-heartedly.

From this extreme sadness comes happiness. The Midwest Organ Transplant Network sends our facility a report on what happens to a patient's organs, or GIFTS as we like to call them. We don't get names, of course...but, we get to find out ages and general area of the country where the gifts ended up.

Responding to the post about the misuse of organs, etc.: When the family signs consent to organ donation, they sign away any rights to decision-making regarding the organs. It's difficult to say what may have exactly happened in the two cases described. When the teenager's organs were not used, maybe it wasn't discovered that they were unusable until they were removed...who knows? With the brain cancer patient, maybe it was thought that the brain cancer was PRIMARY and not secondary mets. Dunno what happened there either. I had always thought that CA made people ineligible to be donors.

It really saddens me when a patient has previously signed up to be an organ donor (ie:driver's license) and then the family becomes involved and elects NOT TO sign consent for that patient to be an organ donor. As nurses, we see the same things happen with DNR patients all the time. It's just shameful to disregard the final wishes of the dying IMO.

Personally, I am willing to be an organ donor. My husband does not want to be one. (yes, we've had this discussion too.) However, no matter how strongly I feel about donating organs, I would respect my husband's wishes if that time ever comes. He would do the same for me. (I told him I'd come back and haunt him if he doesn't!! )


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Old Dec 03, 2004, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabee
By the way, I didn't start this thread to change anyone's minds, so I just didn't see any reason to put sugar-coating on my feelings on this matter. I'm so sorry if I offended anyone. Obviously, if I were trying to convince people to donate, I would not let my true feelings about the issue known. One of my many faults is being painfully honest. I'm not trying to browbeat any of you. I have a great deal of respect for all of you and kind of think of you as people I can be honest with. Don't take it so hard. This is just one of those little things that eats on me and I wanted to get your views on it.
You asked an honest question and got some honest answers is all. At this point in my life I am not a donor and have no plans to be.

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Old Dec 03, 2004, 03:13 PM
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I also believe it's a private personal matter.
I've always felt in the past that God gave me what he wanted me to have, and I'm going to keep it no matter what, even after I die.
For MYSELF, I don't think I would want to accept an organ donation. If I'm sick and needing an organ, I think I'd just as soon live out my life naturally, as to take the chance on getting an organ that could be diseased also. Like the one above who got it from a cancer patient. That's just unreal. They didn't help those people at all. Put them thru all that for nothing.
But who knows how I would feel, say if my grandchild became sick and needed an organ?
As for voting for Bush, I did vote for him, but I didn't like either canidate.
I just felt like maybe he was the lesser of 2 evils.
Just MHO.

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Old Dec 03, 2004, 03:26 PM
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Hey, thanks to whoever it was that referred me to www.unos.org. I've been reading the memorials for the past hour or so at www.donormemorial.org and some of them are just heartwrenching. Gives me chills. I realize it's a difficult decision and I would certainly honor his wishes if my husband chose not to give. I, too, hate that when people go against the wishes of the dying person. I would never do that.

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Old Dec 03, 2004, 04:07 PM
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I think a fair thing would be to refuse to give organs to anyone who is unwilling to donate them. I seriously wonder how many people would refuse to accept a donation that would save them or their child, but if they would I can respect them should they refuse to donate.

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Old Dec 03, 2004, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabee
Thank you all for your responses. I totally agree that it is a personal decision. I don't care whether we go the opt-out or opt-in route because either gives people the opportunity to make their wishes known. I'm not really trying to judge people for not donating, although it's really hard not to. I'm not generalizing either - I'm not saying that all who voted for Bush refuse to donate. However, if you look at the numbers, I think it's fair to make a general statement that people don't donate very often.

What I don't understand is how can you be concerned about whether gays are getting married (one example) or not when people are dying on the waiting list? Why is our country focused on such minor details when the big things are just sliding by unnoticed? I understand that the organ donation network/process is not perfect. Can you name any national organization that is? That doesn't mean that they are not worthy causes, though.

So, if you are not willing to donate, would you expect to get an organ if you or someone you loved needed it? If so, then isn't that a double standard?
I think you ARE generalizing when you say "how can you be concerned about whether gays are getting married . .. when people are dying on the waiting list". How do you know that people who are concerned about that don't donate or that people who voted for Bush don't donate . . .if we could just leave that completely out of the debate - hey that would be great.

As you probably have already noticed this is an issue that evokes feelings of mistrust and joy . . .people have to be educated. Not told that because they voted for Bush they must be selfish people who won't donate their organs.

Sorry, that just obviously sticks in my craw.

steph (Republican and Bush supporter and future organ donor)


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Old Dec 03, 2004, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fergus51
I think a fair thing would be to refuse to give organs to anyone who is unwilling to donate them. I seriously wonder how many people would refuse to accept a donation that would save them or their child, but if they would I can respect them should they refuse to donate.


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Old Dec 03, 2004, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fergus51
I think a fair thing would be to refuse to give organs to anyone who is unwilling to donate them. I seriously wonder how many people would refuse to accept a donation that would save them or their child, but if they would I can respect them should they refuse to donate.
So you are saying we can buy an organ now with our guarantee to give one in the future. I read a science fiction story like this one time. The story line was that you donated your "extra" organs to powerful people that needed them now in order to be put on a waiting list to receive one later. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.

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Old Dec 03, 2004, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fergus51
I think a fair thing would be to refuse to give organs to anyone who is unwilling to donate them. I seriously wonder how many people would refuse to accept a donation that would save them or their child, but if they would I can respect them should they refuse to donate.
I do not speak a foreign language. Can you translate?

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Old Dec 03, 2004, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NurseGuy_in_06
I do not speak a foreign language. Can you translate?
I've been meaning to ask you that too Fergus .. . the translation site "Babel Fish" only gets part of the French and not enough to make any sense.

steph

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