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  #41  
Old Dec 07, 2004, 01:02 PM
TriageRN_34 (Female)
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One of the nicer things I do for myself (including comming here, helps to know I am not the only one with these probelms!), is I do have a journal, and I have a open folder I update constantly on issues I see that need improvement (or even just documented for State!). It is HUGE sadly..but I keep on writing it with dates (no names because of home computer usuage and confidentiality) and such so I have it down for future reference.

When I left my last job, I gathered this info (I started doing it then!) and wrote a nice "fyi" letter to my employer about improvements I saw that needed attention, and mailed it after my exit interview. It was written specifically as not to cause defence, but as a list of to do's for improvement. I have gotten a wonderful responce to this letter from that company, and they support me 100% in references and said they would take me back in a heart beat (ummmm no thanks..LOL). I worded it very professionally with no blame. Oh man how many edits of that thing I must have done to make sure my bridges weren't burned...and whew...guess I got it right after 50 edits or so..LOL!

Sadly, this current employer is basically evil..LOL, and they will NOT give references, they do not support you in anyway if you leave, and worse..they fight workers comp and unemployment benifits if you are to be injured or fired!!!!! Three people got fired due to what they called "lay offs", and NOT ONE was able to get unemployment...I don't know HOW they did it...but lets just say I work for a rather LARGE influencial fraturnal organization (who own the facility) world wide, and when you talk about secret society organizations or corruption..they are well noted. Too bad I didn't realize that when I signed on!!!! They are high up in gov. and lots of lawyers...and I see them using loopholes more than anything...has taken me two years to see all this beurocracy (which I always shyed from beurocracy so I didn't see it when I signed on!)and I get more fearful daily about my own professional career with them..they truely have folks in the palm of their hands, and they do squeeze!

I will leave once the house is okay and loan done...my loan officer said to hang on to the job to show I don't just go around switching jobs all the time...even if I am a nurse. My eyes are open to new jobs and I will make sure I get in before I quit my current employer because they will make sure I don't get another job somehow! Best they do not know, and one day give a two week and never look back~!

DO your research well before taking on jobs...sometimes what looks great has the sneekiest fascades you can imagine!!!!

Oh yeah and we all talked about just up and leaving..then we realized..who would care for our patients..it is not their fault at all, and walking out on them is unimaginable...so far only 3 have quit for various reasons..the rest of us keep on taking care of these folks that are caught in a beurocracy they don't know about...and the people that are putting themselves and their hearts on the line to make sure they are protected..US!

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  #42  
Old Dec 07, 2004, 01:42 PM
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[quote=TriageRN_34]"since I have been working with geriatrics I am now labeled as "a rest home nurse" (even though it is assisted living and I am adminstration and floor nurse doing almost everything a hospital nurse does..but for 160 patients a shift!) and am instantly denied any job!" QUOTE]

Can I ask you, is that true everywhere about being labelled a "rest home nurse". For RNs and LPNs alike? In all states?
Thank you,
Jane

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  #43  
Old Dec 07, 2004, 01:46 PM
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When you leave that job, and you probably will sooner or later, be sure to do an exit interview with HR. Maybe they can get some things straightened out by going over the manager.

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Old Dec 07, 2004, 04:40 PM
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work problems

Easier said than done, however, it sounds like you need to get the !!ell outta there! Can you (if you wanted to)work a different floor? Sounds like to me there is a click @ your hospitol, and n-e one not in...is out...perhaps it'll be best to find a graceful way out...or maybe contacting people in, say the state board, ect. Until then, document, document, document!!! and have witnesses to what you do whenever possible. When I've had similar problems in the past, I'd get copies of the positive things people wrote about me and stashed then away in a portfolio, to use in conjunction with a resume, or when a review came up.

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  #45  
Old Dec 07, 2004, 10:06 PM
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Same Old Story

Your story is nothing new. Similar things happened to me also. They lied to me about the floor availability for jobs, and then wouldn't let me leave the cruddy floor I was on after a year even. Nursing is all about deception. Facilities deceiving the public, management deceiving workers, workers deceiving each other, and workers deceiving patients.

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Old Dec 08, 2004, 11:23 AM
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To Tenn Nurse

You Are Working At A Very Treacherous Place With Serious Systemic Problems. I Hope You Have Documented All That Has Occurred There In A Personal Journal At Home. Now If You Haven't Already You Need To Find Other Employment Asap, Then Run, Not Walk To An Attorney Specializing In Labor Law. From What I See Patient Safety Is Seriously Jeopardized Due In Part By Such A Mismanaged Place. The Staff There Need To Pay Attention And Know The Governing Laws For This Facility And Report Them To The Proper Authorities Before A Patient Is Killed. Bottom Line: Get The Hell Out Of There Now!!!!!!! They Do Not Deserve A Standard Two Week Notice. Just Do Not Be In A Position Of Possible Prosecution For Patient Abandonment.

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Old Dec 08, 2004, 09:43 PM
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[quote=TennNurse]I am in dire need of some perspective here, y'all. This may get wordy, so I apologize in advance. Please bear with me.

Three months ago I interviewed for a wonderful-sounding job. The staff was friendly and seemed very professional, the manager spends lots of time on the floor and is involved with her staff, and the full-time requirements were 3 days one week, four days the next. I was promised 12 weeks of preceptorship (it's a new area of practice for me) and quoted a rate of pay that's competitve for my area. During my staff interview, one person mentioned that "most" of the nurses list one day per pay period that "we're available if they need us, in which case they call us in". HR said there was a dress code, but when I asked the manager about it, she shrugged it off and said that we shouldn't wear sleeveless shirts, opened-toed shoes, the usual stuff, not to worry about it.
Surprise #1: My second week there, my preceptor mentioned to me that my manager had told her to tell me not to wear my denim scrubs again- I might "get in trouble" since denim is not allowed. I'd worn these scrubs to general hospital orientation twice and had no reason to think they weren't allowed on the floor. I wasn't concerned, just said, thanks, I didn't know, I won't wear them again. "NO DENIM!" was specified in a note on my 30-day-evaluation. I would have commented, had the paper not been shoved under my nose as I was going into a patient's room and my manager said hurriedly, "Here, sign this quick, Joint Commision is coming, and I need to have these all done." I thought the mark-down was unfair, since she hadn't seen fit to say anything to me herself, and I didn't have any way at the time of knowing I'd done anything wrong.
Surprise #2: My manger announced that my preceptorship would be ending after 6 weeks since she needed the staff, and as an orientee, I "didn't count" as staff.
Surprise #3: Orientation was over, and I was making about $1.50/hour less than what I'd been quoted.
Surprise #4: Those days we "needed to be available" were actually mandatory overtime. I'd asked for Mondays off for a previous commitment to volunteer work, and was immediately granted the schedule I'd "asked for": Tuesday-Friday, 12-hour days, every week. The reason only "most" of us are required to do this is that the part-time staff is not required to. The following month I requested Wednesdays off for church. I got one Wednesday off; otherwise, my schedule remained the same.
Surprise #5: Our unit secretary began treating me rudely, not finishing orders on my charts, ignoring me when I asked for charts I needed immediately for emergent situations. Charts she's worked on are put back in the rack with the metal rings open, and when I pick them up, everything falls out. She'll say she paged me when she hadn't, then tell my manger I'd left the floor and no one could find me. She'll also page me 5 or 6 times over 2 minutes and tell my manager how many times she "had" to page me before I responded. Patient care is constantly interrupted, and my patients have noticed and commented on how often I'm called out of the room. Small tasks then take forever to finish, which she will announce to everyone present in the main nurse's station. When I've attempted to discuss this with her, she turns her head and refuses to speak to me, which is blown off by my manager. "She just needs time to sort of work through conflicts", I was told. She is acting like a two-year-old, I think, and my patients are paying for it. Several other employees have noticed her behavior also.
Surprise #6: 60-day evuluation, I was marked down for calling in sick twice. I'd never called in sick, although once I was sent home by the charge nurse in the middle of the day for constant vomiting and diarrhea.
Surprise #7: I was assigned a patient in critical condition with which I had no experience. I'd stated in my interview that I was interested in training for this type of patient, but none was received before I was assigned this patient alone. When I protested, and cited my shortened orientation period, my manager disagreed, stating that I had started work ONE MONTH BEFORE I ACTUALLY HAD. It took me several minutes to convince her that I'd started when I did.
Surprise #8: 90-day evalutation, I was written up for two separate incidents. One, a patient I'd started IVF on had gotten too much NS, because it hadn't been stopped at the appropriate time. The time at which it was to be stopped was at 2130- two hours after I'd reported off and left. Secondly, I was told that I'd left at night before report was over. I didn't think I had, so I asked when this supposedly happened. Neither supervisor at this meeting could specify a date or person who'd made the accusation. After I questioned it several times, the story changed to "a few charge nurses" who'd complained of this. Still, no dates were fresh in anyone's memory. I was offered "another chance", a prolonged probation, with the threat of termination if things did not improve. I wrote a long comment stating my position, and when I expressed concern that the actions and/or words of others, over which I have no control, seem to have a heavy impact on my job security, my senior supervisor looked me in the eye and said, "I never take any action based on hearsay". Well......
I am totally at a loss as to how best to deal with this. Even if I knew who else to go to, I'm always at work and don't want to ask permission from my manager for time off the floor to go complain about her and her boss. Three other people who started the same time I did have had similar experiences, and one told me, "My interview was a complete fabrication." I've learned (surprise, surprise) that this floor has long had an extremely high turnover rate. While I'd ideally like to honor my contract (anything else will cost me my bonus), certainly no statements made to me have been honored. I started out liking this job, and feel more miserable, exhausted, stressed, frustrated, and paranoid every day. I realize I've been lucky to have previously worked with honest and fair employers, and I have no reference for this kind of treatment. I enjoy working with most of my co-workers. My patients have filled out several comment cards on the excellent care they've gotten from me, and when I'm allowed to take care of them the way I learned to, I'm happy.
I ask all battle-wise nurses present for your input.[/QUOTE


Unfortuntely been there done that, take it from one old nurse that knows.
Run as fast as you can from that place. You will not win.
Do not be fooled. There is no law anywhere that states that you must sign
any eval.

Ask HR for an exit interview form. Do NOT send it to HR, send it directly to the CEO. via registered certified mail.

Good luck, and may the force be with you.
There is no shortage of nurses, just a shortage of ethical ones.

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  #48  
Old Dec 09, 2004, 12:48 PM
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As a nurse manager, i would say,

JUMP, get out then sue the buggers for lying, take them to industrial disute, bring in the unions.
OOOOhhh i hate clique environments and thats what this is an old boys club.

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Old Dec 09, 2004, 01:47 PM
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The encouragement I've gotten from this board has been nothing short of phenomenal, and when I combine your input with a truly petty incident today, I want to let you all know that I am currently lining up my next job.

Since I was scheduled off today, I went out of town this morning for an appointment, and at 0800 I got a frantic phone call on my cell phone from my mgr, stating she needed me to come in now. (I don't know how she got my cell number, but she'd also left me a message at home.) I told her that I had just arrived for an out-of-town appointment, but if she was that short I would cancel it, turn around, and come home. During my hour's drive back home, I got calls from two friends at work, both of whom were surprised when I told them staffing was so short that I had been called in. They had both been on the floor within the last hour and neither of them had been asked to stay. When I got there, I had a message from one of the nurses, "_____ said to tell you that she got it covered, and that you would know what that meant." I checked with the charge nurse, who confirmed that they had gotten coverage today and I was not needed until tomorrow, which is my next scheduled day to work. No message was left at my house or on my cell phone to let me know not to come in, and my mgr was not on the floor at that time.

Sloppy management is one thing, pure meanness another. I don't know why I'm so shocked by this behavior, but I am. Because I'm still on probation, I have another eval in about 3 weeks. I intend to keep a low profile until then, get a good eval next time, then blow the joint, after my written exit interview, that is. I don't think I've ever been in an environment more threatening than this one, and I'm more awed than ever at the wonderful support available on this board. Dealing with this would have been so much harder without it.

Thanks, y'all.

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Old Dec 09, 2004, 04:04 PM
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Unhappy Same, Same, Same and Same

I feel your pain! First off what do you have in writting? Did you get a HR contract or something stating your pay and precp. time? Do they have written and signed complaints about the write ups? Documentation, as a new nurse or exspecially as a vetren you know about documentation. Sounds like you are one who does document, so did you document your transfers at shift change, ie: patient care turned over to Tatle Tale Somebody, RN. My guess would be your in a southern location and work for the good O'l buddy system not on merit or knowledge base.

First depending on your location nurses are not treated much better anywhere in the south, I have not worked many other places then the southern US. The only way to survive in this atmosphere is to be the best in your game or at least try consistantly. Other words no mistakes or at least not major ones. Second you need to find a few good friends. Then again don't play thier game, always use fact and don't get lured into logic opion based arguments or confrontations. I have learned one thing about work ethics and that is to achive your goals you usually need time in service or time on the job. So leaving is an option but not always the best. However if things are not changeable or managable then leave now so you can work on the time issue with a new employer. Second in our feild patient care should always be at the fore front of our actions, this is non-disputable in any confrontation so if all things are presented in this manor not only will you look good but you have a greator chance of disolving the disagreement and coming to affordable solution. Choose your additude when aproaching any confrontation, a bad additude will always be the wrong one even when you are right.

Now for the bad treatment, of course you must talk to the managment, but again only if you have documented fact. Gather all your hire in paper work stating pay and perceptorship time, then your actual start date with out preceptorship(have them show the non orientation staffing sheet) and present this with your meeting. Chances are you should request your supervisor, your HR contact for hiring and your DON to be at this meeting. Then get down to the facts. Remember if this is the good O'l boy system you will be in for a rough hual, but if you have all the facts they can not be disputed. I hate use the saying business is business but it is true. So think in prespective, they (managment) are here to make money. Law suites cost money, poor retention cost money, retraining cost money and poor managment cost money. You need to prove this is all your supervisors fault there fore she ends up the bad guy. I hope I did not waist everones time, but this is one of those subjects that really get my goat.

Good luck,

Oper_wick

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