[Altra]

Originally Posted by LPNtoRN

Want to know what is in vaccine potions?

Check this out http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/7/va...ngredients.htm

This site is put together by a doctor who pushes his views, and his products for sale, on the front page -- I didn't read any further.

[traumaRUs]

This site for the doctor - is advertisement and one should always take that with a grain of salt.

[P_RN]

Reminder: Discuss the topic and do not inflame the board by using words like ignorant, jungle, one foot on a banana peel....Violations of the TOS will result in the posts being removed and the violator placed on moderation.

[michelle95]

It may not be flu...but, I DID get chickenpox from the vaccine. That, however, is a LIVE virus and you always have a small chance in acquiring the disease from the LIVE virus. I've been around chickenpox/shingles my whole life and didn't get it until after I got the shot. Add to that, I live with 4 people that have never had chickenpox and the window for them showing up with it after my exposing them is almost closed. Some kind of natural ability to fight it off if exposed to it in the natural way? I dunno. But, I got the CP vax and MMR in the same day. Maybe my immune system was overwhelmed. I don't think it is wise that we pump so many vaccines in kids at one time. But, hey...I don't run the show.

I don't get flu shots. Haven't had the flu and I prefer to let my own immune system take care of it if I do. But, I am not elderly.

I wish we could get more unbiased sources to conduct research on vaccines. It may be a small amount of mercury but that stuff builds up. Your body can't clear it like other toxins. Not good.

[RN4NICU]

Originally Posted by CNM2B

A question because I really don't know and I have a neighbor who is in my class that insists that this is true....is there mercury in the flu shot? And what are the implications if there is?

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative found in vaccines. It is also found in many contact lens solutions. I have had horrible reactions to thimerosal in the lens solutions, which may account for my weakened immunity after receiving vaccines. I did not find out what had been causing all my problems until I spoke with my opthamologist about my lens solutions - after using what he had given me, it felt like acid had been poured in my eyes. He said the thimerosal had caused an inflammatory reaction and that I should stay away from solutions that contain it.

Thimerosal metabolizes in the body to ethyl mercury and thiosalicylate. It can (not always does, but CAN) cause mercury poisoning and has been linked to autism in children, particularly infants - as they lack the ability to eliminate mercury from their bodies. Vaccines have also been linked to autoimmune disorders in adults, particularly rheumatoid arthritis.

Check out this link for information about class-action lawsuits regarding autism due to mercury poisoning.
http://www.monheit.com/thimerosal/t_overview.shtml

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) also has information about autism due to mercury toxicity in children from thimerosal.
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm

[donmomofnine]

I am getting the flu shot. I guess I am not "afraid" of it and I really feel like I am doing right by my residents and staff by not carrying the flu into the workplace. I have different feelings about immunizations in immature immune systems in childhood....

[kay]

[quote=RN4NICU]Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative found in vaccines. It is also found in many contact lens solutions. I have had horrible reactions to thimerosal in the lens solutions, which may account for my weakened immunity after receiving vaccines.


An allergy to thimerosal is an absolute contraindication to receiving the flu shot.

[group_theory]

Originally Posted by RN4NICU

Thimerosal metabolizes in the body to ethyl mercury and thiosalicylate. It can (not always does, but CAN) cause mercury poisoning and has been linked to autism in children, particularly infants. ... Vaccines have also been linked to autoimmune disorders in adults, particularly rheumatoid arthritis.

Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: a critical review of published original data.
Pediatrics. 2004 Sep;114(3):793-804.

Detection of antinuclear and antilaminin antibodies in autistic children who received thimerosal-containing vaccines.
J Biomed Sci. 2004 Sep-Oct;11(5):607-10.

Autism and DPT vaccination in the United Kingdom.
N Engl J Med. 2004 Jun 24;350(26):2722-3.

A rough summary of those articles is: there is no causation between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism.

As for the second claim about the association between RA and vaccine, the closest article I can find is:

Autoimmune diseases and vaccinations.
Eur J Dermatol. 2004 Mar-Apr;14(2):86-90. Review.

Now I have never read European Journal of Dermatology so I don't know anything about the quality of the papers (and the rigor of peer-review) of the journal. A summary of the above review article states "The available evidence derived from several negative epidemiological studies is reassuring and at least indicates that vaccines are not a major cause of autoimmune diseases." (Vial et al., Eur J Dermatol.)

A small study in Mexico to measure the effectiveness of flu shot and people w/ SLE (lupus) along with measurements to see if there is a corresponding increase in autoimmune antibodies.

Influenza vaccination of patients with systemic lupus erythematosus.
Rev Invest Clin. 2004 Jan-Feb;56(1):16-20

The result - antibody against the 3 strains of influenza increase (but overall the results were lower than healthy women). The mean disease (SLE) and anti-ds DNA antibody decrease. Now the study has several flaws. First, small sample size (n=18). Second, it's not a double-blinded test. Third - no control group.

[GoLytely]

Originally Posted by MLOS

This site is put together by a doctor who pushes his views, and his products for sale, on the front page -- I didn't read any further.

Ummm...what do you think the pharmaceutical companies are doing?
Reckon Dr. Mercola (the running joke) is making those ingredients up?
I suppose he is automatically a "quack" because he does not happen to agree with what has conventionally been taught?
To be honest, I am not all that familiar with Dr. Mercola, but was referring to the page because another poster wanted to know the kinds of ingredients in a vaccine.

[Katnip]

The thing with him is he's lumping vaccines all together. I don't see a lot of differentiation between each type of vaccine. He implies that all those ingredients are in all vaccines, and that just is not true.

And is his product FDA approved? How many trials has it undergone for safety and efficacy?