[adrienurse]

there's also a lot of people who say Flo was a prostitute and prescribed sex with patients as treatment -- doesn't mean it's true.

[MountainMan]

But what if they suffered from hyseria?

[caroladybelle]

Originally Posted by Suesquatch

She is quite aware of the Eisenhower years. There were some middle class white women of that era who got to stay home with their Hoovers and cookbooks. One of them ended up writing "The Feminine Mystique."

Thank you, love.

Mtn Man, I was not putting you down, just correcting a serious misconception. But is not appropriate to make assumptions that I do not know what I am talking about, because I am not a certain age.

It would be as if I said that as a man, you really don't have a clue about how women were treated, because you are not a woman and therefore have no room whatsoever to speak on the matter.

Either one involves an "assume" - which as we know, makes an "&*^" out of "u and me". It is unwise to make such assumptions.

Back to topic...anyone know whether Flo was gay or had an STD? Those have always been rumored about her.

[nursemike]

While I'm glad we're not being judgemental, I do think it's okay to "evaluate" Flo's life and work by our best understanding of what's right and wrong. If she was prejudiced against men, or anyway else, so be it. It doesn't really detract from her accomplishments, but may have held her back from accomplishing more.
I suppose there are several ways of reacting when our heroes have been found to have feet of clay. My take is that most of the advances in human civilization have been accomplished by mortal, fallible, imperfect humans, which opens up a wide range of possibilities for the rest of us mortal, fallible, imperfect humans.

[*RubySlippers*]

On the contrary, our Nursing instructor told us that Ms Florence, loved men infact loved her sick soldiers, that infected her with Syphillis which she died from. Now, I have done no research on this, but, My teach has a PHD, so I assume she has. Sounds like to me she really loved too many men.

[TinyNurse]

agree with gonzo!!

[RN Randy]

Originally Posted by caroladybelle

Thank you, love.

Mtn Man, I was not putting you down, just correcting a serious misconception. But is not appropriate to make assumptions that I do not know what I am talking about, because I am not a certain age.

It would be as if I said that as a man, you really don't have a clue about how women were treated, because you are not a woman and therefore have no room whatsoever to speak on the matter.

Either one involves an "assume" - which as we know, makes an "&*^" out of "u and me". It is unwise to make such assumptions.

Back to topic...anyone know whether Flo was gay or had an STD? Those have always been rumored about her.

From the mountains of Colorado to the mountains of Georgia, to the mountains of West Virginia... Gotta chime in and say Mtn Man maybe mis-worded what he meant to say... and it stands true right here in my town this very day.

The quote is, "My woman doesn't work, and she'll never have to work, it ain't her place to work, it's mine!"

What that equates to is the local mentality that assumes this: men whose wives work are considered to be 'less of a man' because he can't 'support his family.'
It isn't just a silly notion, it is an unspoken law amongst believers and not something anyone would make fun of, lest they risk a shiner of magnificant proportions.

It's under breath most of the time, but it is indeed there.

.....and back to topic, this is a good one, I've not heard all the juicy rumors of Flo's escapades and/or rumors of such. Please continue!
rb

[ewattsjt]

Originally Posted by rmbelcher

From the mountains of Colorado to the mountains of Georgia, to the mountains of West Virginia... Gotta chime in and say Mtn Man maybe mis-worded what he meant to say... and it stands true right here in my town this very day.

The quote is, "My woman doesn't work, and she'll never have to work, it ain't her place to work, it's mine!"

What that equates to is the local mentality that assumes this: men whose wives work are considered to be 'less of a man' because he can't 'support his family.'
It isn't just a silly notion, it is an unspoken law amongst believers and not something anyone would make fun of, lest they risk a shiner of magnificant proportions.

It's under breath most of the time, but it is indeed there.

.....and back to topic, this is a good one, I've not heard all the juicy rumors of Flo's escapades and/or rumors of such. Please continue!
rb

I originally come from the hills of WV. This ^ conception is still alive among some of the older folks. My mother has only worked (for pay) on a part time basis (when she wants) and she believes as well as my father in this type of ideology. It doesn’t make it right but it shows that Mountain man’s comments are still in effect today. My father has black lung (to the extent he is not allowed underground anymore by federal law), spinal arthritis and degenerative disc disease, hand injury (avulsed and reattached)….so bad that all of his doctors want to put him on Social Security Disability. He refuses because (A.) he would not be able to “take care of his wife”, a man’s primary duty. (B.) He does not want to be a “dead beat” living off the government. < My dad’s standards from his time.

Nightingale should be judged by her times standard. My wife should not be judged by my father’s standards nor should my mother be judged by today’s standard. It is easy to see how much things change. My dad remembers when he went down south how African Americans were 2nd class citizens. These are huge changes within one and two generations.

My point is: How dare someone have the audacity to compare Nightingale with today’s standards!

[MountainMan]

These are all good replies.
A man should be able to support his family! My father felt such pride that he was able to have a fairly high standard of living with-out a working wife. My mother told him one day she wanted to get a job. after all I being the youngest of 4 was about 14 and could certainly take care of myself. It was if the rug was pulledout from under him. He was victorious in the discussion and my mother didn't go to work...for a couple of years. She eventually went to college and graduated with honors. Change happens by degrees (no pun intended).
Sorry if I came off a little cranky yesterday, I was. And I've never done anything like this before. Never did a chat or a blog.
However Florence was part of a revolution that was comming. These moments of change happen from time to time Just like in the 60's 70's cusp. When she took nursing from men and began to clean things up the out-look for medical treatment improved. Perhaps she was just a figurehead or perhaps she started the cascade of change. I'm astounded that her work was not related to the discovery of germs. These were times when people thought maggots were inherent in flesh and meat and would simply bloom at the apropriate time. however the discovery of germs would have certainly ushered ina move toward cleanliness and eventually sterile techniques Flo' or no Flo'.

[caroladybelle]

The point that I was trying to make is that women have always worked...in the kitchen..in the fields...scrubbing the bathroom, raising the chilluns, sewing the clothes.

That is not exactly "cherishing" too much to work.