[kdhnursern]

When I was in an administrative position, I knew what others in the company made. Men did make more than women with the same experience.
The problem with our profession is that wages are <SECRET> and we can be disciplined if we let others know what we make.
If it were out in the open-- people were paid x amount of dollars for y amount of experience and z amount of time in the company--we would have a level playing field. Then, companies couldn't pay men more than women or some new hire with no experience more than someone who's been with the company years.

[barefootlady]

In my many years of nursing I have worked with a few good male nurses, ones I would share a shift with anytime, anyplace, anyhow. But, in general, I have worked with male nurses who just did not do their work, used the flirty, smiling, brown-nosing attitude to get ahead, and then when the job was too much for them tried to con some poor female into "giving me a hand with this."
I heard ,just this weekend ,that one guy in particular had finally been called on the carpet by an older, experienced, drill sargent-type nurse, from what I hear she refuses to let him back in her department, will come in and cover herself, but he is never to come back. Seems like he just did not get around to giving that second unit of blood, HGB was only 7.1, so no rush, let the good old day shift RN,female ofcourse, do it. When I worked with this guy and NONE of the 06:00am meds or fingersticks were done and I complained, I was told he was managing other problems, even when I showed a pattern, so I am glad someone with clout got his butt.P.S. the other problems were computer games with the ER male nurse.

[Nurse GOODNIGHT]

Wow. Good stuff and eye opening.

[fergus51]

This is one of the reasons I like working unionized places. The payscale is not a secret and isn't ever dependent on my negotiating skills or my gender.

[SmilingBluEyes]

eggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggzactly fergus. unionized here.

[Energizer Bunny]

I really don't think i would ever work anywhere that was non-union from everything I hear lately.

[Dayray]

Originally Posted by barefootlady

In my many years of nursing I have worked with a few good male nurses, ones I would share a shift with anytime, anyplace, anyhow. But, in general, I have worked with male nurses who just did not do their work, used the flirty, smiling, brown-nosing attitude to get ahead, and then when the job was too much for them tried to con some poor female into "giving me a hand with this."
I heard ,just this weekend ,that one guy in particular had finally been called on the carpet by an older, experienced, drill sargent-type nurse, from what I hear she refuses to let him back in her department, will come in and cover herself, but he is never to come back. Seems like he just did not get around to giving that second unit of blood, HGB was only 7.1, so no rush, let the good old day shift RN,female ofcourse, do it. When I worked with this guy and NONE of the 06:00am meds or fingersticks were done and I complained, I was told he was managing other problems, even when I showed a pattern, so I am glad someone with clout got his butt.P.S. the other problems were computer games with the ER male nurse.

Bah!

You know, this kind of stuff erks me! if this type of junk were written about any other collective group of people it would be erased and the poster baned.

Why is it Okay to bash men and blame the whole gender for the actions of a few bad apples?

How would you feel if someone came here saying these same things about women? or what if they said the same things and attributed peoples actions to their race or religion?

Paint a different picture? sure it does but yet it's okay for this lady say disparaging things about a whole gender because she has known a few bad ones.

It's really silly if you think about it, How many lazy nurses have we all seen? Gender hasn't had much to do with it from what I've seen they come in all shapes and sizes.

This post seems colored by a some hang ups that originated outside of nursing and have been carried over into a place where they don't belong.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !

[earle58]

Originally Posted by Dayray

Bah!

You know, this kind of stuff erks me! if this type of junk were written about any other collective group of people it would be erased and the poster baned.

Why is it Okay to bash men and blame the whole gender for the actions of a few bad apples?

How would you feel if someone came here saying these same things about women? or what if they said the same things and attributed peoples actions to their race or religion?

Paint a different picture? sure it does but yet it's okay for this lady say disparaging things about a whole gender because she has known a few bad ones.

It's really silly if you think about it, How many lazy nurses have we all seen? Gender hasn't had much to do with it from what I've seen they come in all shapes and sizes.

This post seems colored by a some hang ups that originated outside of nursing and have been carried over into a place where they don't belong.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !

i totally agree with you dayray. there's just no place for generalized stereotypes.

[nursemike]

Originally Posted by Dayray

Bah!

You know, this kind of stuff erks me! if this type of junk were written about any other collective group of people it would be erased and the poster baned.

Why is it Okay to bash men and blame the whole gender for the actions of a few bad apples?

How would you feel if someone came here saying these same things about women? or what if they said the same things and attributed peoples actions to their race or religion?

Paint a different picture? sure it does but yet it's okay for this lady say disparaging things about a whole gender because she has known a few bad ones.

It's really silly if you think about it, How many lazy nurses have we all seen? Gender hasn't had much to do with it from what I've seen they come in all shapes and sizes.

This post seems colored by a some hang ups that originated outside of nursing and have been carried over into a place where they don't belong.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !

Well, you have to bear in mind, she is from West Virginia...oh, wait--that would be stereotyping. Oh, right, I'm from West Virginia, too! Crap, and I'm not wearing shoes, at the moment!
See, I don't think by "generally" she meant always or even most of the time. I'm pretty sure she just meant some men are lazy idiots, and some aren't. It just came out wrong--sort of like our beloved senior senator on race relations. Notice that she did say "Take each Male as he Comes," which is the opposite of generalizing. But I must admit, if she weren't from West Virginia, I would agree with you.
Go, Falcons, yea team!

[earle58]

Originally Posted by nursemike?

"Take each Male as he Comes," which is the opposite of generalizing.

whoops, overlooked that part. but still, i take that philosophy with each nurse i meet, male or female.


leslie