[wincha]

Your right its great they are developing a vaccine for this however it will end up not being my choice if my kids get it or not(if I had babies) just like the hep b they must have to go to grade school. Also now the chicken pox which I managed to get a medical waiver since my youngest has some sensory issues. Soon enough the CDC will make every baby have this immunization. I'm not anti immunization also my kids have theirs except the chicken pox. If I could I would wait for the Hep b until they are teenagers at least since it is supposed to cover sex and drug use which my kids are NOT doing in grade school or even younger since its required to go to preschool.

[wincha]

Originally Posted by mandana

May I ask what your peds reasoning is against Chicken pox vaccine is? I'm genuinely curious and NOT trying to start the old "to vaccinate or not" debate. I will, however, admit to being rabidly pro-vaccine - but I do promise that I'm only curious as to his/her reasoning for not agreeing with Chicken Pox vaccine.

TIA,
Amanda

The reasoning first is my kids can get the natural immunity. Also its not proven how long it will last so if they do not have boosters we could end up with a lot of older people with the chicken pox and that can be dangerous. Plus I have even seen it on tv the CDC now says that it is not effective for long term but having a booster would too expensive to make mandatory. Many nurses I know who are peds nurses and even some pediatricians who had their children in our preschool did not vaccinate for this. One doc brought her kids to a patients house who had chicken pox to expose her kids. I worry if my dd doesn't get the natural immunity will it wear off in her child bearing years. Plus many children still get the chicken pox with the vaccine and some children have been getting shingles after also.

Parents who have children who are in the autisitic spectrum, some do think the vaccines the mercury in them contributed to their childs autism. Not all but many. Some have seen regression after a flu shot at an older age and had never had any autistic signs before. Some who have an autistic child are being very careful to immunize their other children when they are older or insist on mercury free vaccines. It is not proven that the mercury does not cause autism. Many of these children have high mercury levels in their bodies also.

[wincha]

Originally Posted by onehusbandsevenkids

Oh, yippee....ANOTHER vaccine..... rolling my eyes here....

(But I do agree that in *third world countries* this may be a very good thing) But please don't mandate this like the rediculous chicken pox vax! '

(sorry I'm in a mood tonight and am truly sick of my instructors teaching on this subject without ALL of the available info and studies on vaccines being presented. Its SOOOOOOOOOOOO one sided - I swear I'm better educated about vaccines than any of them....oh well, thats what ya get in mainstream USA nursing schools. I just grit my teeth and bite my tongue....have any of them read and/or studied anything seriously anti-vaccine? Anyone want to make a guess at how many of these pro-vaccine studies are flawed and people just dont realize??? Also, if vaccines are so innocent why does the gov't pay out for vax injuries and deaths??)

Lordy, I probably should have kept my mouth shut....

Since my youngest had severe sensory issues I am in an email group on the autistic spectrum. Luckily with therapy my son is doing well. I have learned alot from these parents and have read alot about these studies and you are right. The mercury in these vaccines could be contributing to the rise of autisim. I think the ratio now is 1 to 140 children who have autism.

[mandana]

Thanks for answering!

Amanda

[onehusbandsevenkids]

Originally Posted by stn2003

i am under the impression that vaccines were never definatively linked with autism, and that all the speculation around that occurred back when vaccines were still being made with preservatives containing mercury- which is obviously no longer the case : )

it's back to the old argument of benefits vs. the risks. and i personally believe that the benefits outweigh the risks when the vaccine is one that has the power to save alot of lives through prevention.

Just my opinion.

Actually, I do believe that most (if not all) vaccines still do contain small (trace?) amounts of mercury. I'd have to go look it up again.
Even so, mercury is not the only concern w/vaccines.

[onehusbandsevenkids]

Originally Posted by Gompers

If you don't want your kids to have it, fine. But this might be a lifesaver for children in undeveloped countries.

I agree!
BUT dont make it mandatory for children in the US to have if their parents don't wish them to have yet another vaccine for a very low risk problem here - and if I were a betting person, I'd bet that thats exactly where this is headed.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[ayndim]

I will never use a new, "untried" vaccine on my children. I have always believed that vaccines start too early and therefore delay them until my kids are between 6-9 months. Mind you I was a stay-at-home mom who breastfed exclusively and was not given grief by my ped. I probably would have seen it differently if my kids had to go to daycare. Anyway, had I not delayed the vaccines my oldest would have received the original rotavirus vaccine. I know the incidents were rare but I always wonder...... So I am all for vaccinating at an appropriate age and for diseases that are a threat to our own children (i.e., a threat if they got the disease, not a threat of catching it). I may be wrong but I don't see rotavirus as a huge threat if my children got it. From my understanding, dehydration is the biggest concern. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

I am not sure if it is just my ped or if it is now standard, but I insisted that there be no mercury (thimerosol, sp?) in my kids vaccines. I was told that the vaccines were thimerosol-free. I assumed it was every child vaccine not just the ones my ped used. But who knows. The ped gets alot of business from the CNM clients and he may have had a lot of demand for thimerosol-free vaccines. Most of the women I talked to when at appts for the CNM had some reservations about vaccines.

[ChayaN]

Yay! I'm glad to see anti-vaxxers here on a nursing board.

[VeryPlainJane]

One of the best ways to determine whether a particular disease or syndrome is genetic is to examine the incidence in identical (monozygotic) and fraternal (dizygotic) twins. Using a strict definition of autism, when one twin has autism, 60% of identical and 0% of fraternal twins have autism. Using a broader definition of autism (i.e., autistic spectrum disorder), when one twin has autism, approximately 92% of identical and 10% of fraternal twins have autism.

Therefore, autism clearly has a genetic basis.

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2065.htm

[onehusbandsevenkids]

Originally Posted by VeryPlainJane

One of the best ways to determine whether a particular disease or syndrome is genetic is to examine the incidence in identical (monozygotic) and fraternal (dizygotic) twins. Using a strict definition of autism, when one twin has autism, 60% of identical and 0% of fraternal twins have autism. Using a broader definition of autism (i.e., autistic spectrum disorder), when one twin has autism, approximately 92% of identical and 10% of fraternal twins have autism.

Therefore, autism clearly has a genetic basis.

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2065.htm

That may be. It may be *part* of it.
BUT I don't care what anyone says - I am expected to believe that thousands of children who were perfectly normal before a vax and then had (and in some, almost immediate) drastic changes in them occur have nothing to do with the vax?
I can't believe "they" can "tell us that with a straight face and expect "we" mere parents, not medical "experts," are too dumb to figure it out for ourselves......
I just don't buy it. There are just too many children, too many cases. I just don't buy it.
Also, if I had the time, I'm sure I could dig up a rebuttal to what the above website has to say. But, at the moment I have a nursing exam, an A&P 2 exam, a med term exam, a nutrition presentation and a pharmacology quiz to study for/complete.