[SmilingBluEyes]

Excuse me, Woody? Please do not lump all the posts together like this. All were trying to provide support for the OP. And there were suggestions for proactive behaviors that may change this.

Also remember, if the attitudes are to change, the climate supporting nurses is necessary for these to happen. I don't know all about the OPs workplace and how much support (or not) she can expect or got in this situation.

Again, reread my post. Nowhere do I see an abused person acting defensively providing advice here.

Thank you.

[Ruby Vee]

Originally Posted by woody436

OMG! You all sound like a bunch of abused women in group therapy! STOP TAKING ABUSE FROM DOCTORS!! Why are you making excuses for this doctor and her behavior?!?!? "woke up on the wrong side of the bed" "at least she made it right"!?!? No she didn't...she still made shortstuff look like a fool in front of other people...and MADE HER CRY!! Don't you see the bigger picture here? Were you scrubbing the belly according to standards? I'm sure you were. Tell the doctor to go scratch! I'm all for professionalism, but not at the expense of my own self-respect. Don't give this doctor any more latitude. The abuse will continue if it's not taken care of.

You might want to take it down a notch there, woody.

This physician may have behaved inappropriately and acted like an ass, but shortstuff made herself cry. Not saying that I haven't been there; done that. The physician may (or may not) have been in the wrong. But she didn't "make" anyone cry. We cry (or don't cry) all by ourselves.

[SmilingBluEyes]

Good point. Nobody made me cry either but there were times I did. But always in private AFTER work, not in the presence of the offending party.

[woody436]

Okay...perhaps I was a bit "aggressive" there...I'm just passionate about this issue. I've just never seen the abuses like this in other workplace settings. It seems nurses, especially female nurses, are prone to verbal abuse by doctors. No one should have to put up with that!

Prior to coming into nursing, I was in the high-tech field installing multi-million dollar software platforms. Not a day went by where there was a glitch or hardware problem that stalled the install. As stressful as it was to make sure the client was happy and the install was completed on time, no one ever screamed or yelled or humiliated anyone. Sure there were heated discussions, but never in front of anyone. No one would put up with that behavior.

So, SmilingBluEyes...my apologies for my "shoot from the hip" posting. You are indeed correct in that I should not lump everyone into that assumption.

Woody

[RNperdiem]

What can be shrugged off with a big roll of the eyes for an experienced nurse, is often too much taken to heart by someone less experienced.
A new nurse might cry. The experienced nurse would have handed the swab over and said "here you go."
When you start getting older than the doctors, how you see them changes too.

[teeituptom]

Dont ever let a doctor make you cry.Never.

[miko014]

Originally Posted by woody436

Okay...perhaps I was a bit "aggressive" there...I'm just passionate about this issue. I've just never seen the abuses like this in other workplace settings. It seems nurses, especially female nurses, are prone to verbal abuse by doctors. No one should have to put up with that!

Prior to coming into nursing, I was in the high-tech field installing multi-million dollar software platforms. Not a day went by where there was a glitch or hardware problem that stalled the install. As stressful as it was to make sure the client was happy and the install was completed on time, no one ever screamed or yelled or humiliated anyone. Sure there were heated discussions, but never in front of anyone. No one would put up with that behavior.

So, SmilingBluEyes...my apologies for my "shoot from the hip" posting. You are indeed correct in that I should not lump everyone into that assumption.

Woody

Well, Woody...at least you made it right.

[SmilingBluEyes]

Thanks Woody; your gracious apology is accepted. I also have a high tech background in the military, so I understand where you are coming from, to a degree. I learned really quickly how not to be anyone's victim. But it takes experience and time for some of us. It's not second nature in some cases and some folks are more easily hurt than others. I will say, if one is a new nurse, it's not hard to be intimidated by a very rude or condescending doc who makes a fool of her in front of her coworkers and/or patient. I can easily see how this makes some people cry.

But like I said, I withheld that until work was over. I have not (so far) ever let a doctor see me cry because of anything he/she said or did to me. I was, however, never afraid to address rotten treatment of me in private at a more appropriate time. But again, that ability to do so with any ease comes with experience.

The only time I really felt like crying was when a doctor I respected enormously expressed his disappointment in me over a mistake I made. His words were so kind and his demeanor so calm, I wanted to cry for letting him down----not because of what he said. I just don't have any tears over docs saying mean or stupid things to me---I know it is not personal, either.

[LizICURN]

I have been there and I knopw you cannot stop the tears! I have just learned to speak up for myself and not take that kind of crap.. Most MDs just want to see if they can break you and they actually are impressed if u stand up for yourself.. it will come with time!

[Kanani_Ikike]

Originally Posted by woody436

Okay...perhaps I was a bit "aggressive" there...I'm just passionate about this issue. I've just never seen the abuses like this in other workplace settings. It seems nurses, especially female nurses, are prone to verbal abuse by doctors. No one should have to put up with that!

Prior to coming into nursing, I was in the high-tech field installing multi-million dollar software platforms. Not a day went by where there was a glitch or hardware problem that stalled the install. As stressful as it was to make sure the client was happy and the install was completed on time, no one ever screamed or yelled or humiliated anyone. Sure there were heated discussions, but never in front of anyone. No one would put up with that behavior.

So, SmilingBluEyes...my apologies for my "shoot from the hip" posting. You are indeed correct in that I should not lump everyone into that assumption.

Woody

I understand where you are coming from, Woody. I, too, get upset with the way some doctors treat nurses. I don't stand for it. I am tired, I am burnt out, I am stressed out, and probably have a little bit of PMS on most days. I wish they would take their frustrations out on me. I will clean their clock and eat their lunch, too. LOL!!!

But a lot of nurses do take crap off of MDs and those nurses need to stand up for themselves a little bit more. A doctor won't be so quick to go off on those they know will give them a run for their money and possible embarrass them right back.