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Old Mar 03, 2005, 11:45 PM
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And this woman is their news director? That's even worse. She should know better.

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Old Mar 03, 2005, 11:52 PM
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Site/Journal Title: AJN, American Journal of Nursing
Article/Content Title: 'First, Do No Harm'-Unless It's Your Job?: A question of ethics.
Article/Content Price: $19.95


I clicked on the link.. they want 19.95 to view it! I can't believe they would charge to view an article... We should ban together to protest us as nurses to write the editor and cancel our subscriptions.

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Old Mar 03, 2005, 11:58 PM
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Amazing - we get AJN at work. I'll have to go in and read it tomorrow.

You have to hang around here for awhile to get to know us and I agree with Begalli's post - . .. . . .and taking something so out of context is NOT good journalism.

steph

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Old Mar 04, 2005, 12:00 AM
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Thanks Brandy!

Originally Posted by BRANDY LPN


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Old Mar 04, 2005, 12:06 AM
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That link did not work for me. It said it was moved. Oh well.. I will have to find a print copy at work, I am not paying the 19.95 they want to view it on line.

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Old Mar 04, 2005, 12:29 AM
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The link worked fine. It is word for word what you will find in the printed journal itself.

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Old Mar 04, 2005, 12:35 AM
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here is the article

AJN article
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Professional organizations, including the ANA, the International Council of Nurses, the American Medical Association (AMA), and the American Public Health Association, have expressed their opposition to members’ involvement in executions. The ANA position statement says: “The Code for Nurses, nursing’s ethical code of conduct, stipulates that ‘the nurse does not act deliberately to terminate the life of any person.’ The obligation to refrain from causing death is longstanding and should not be breached even when legally sanctioned.” Participation is defined as “assessment, supervision, or monitoring of the procedure or the prisoner; procuring, prescribing, or preparing medications or solutions; inserting the intravenous catheter; injecting the lethal solution; and attending or witnessing the execution as a nurse.” The AMA’s Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs likewise states that “a physician . . . should not be a participant in a legally authorized execution.”

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“Unlike other methods of execution, participation of health care professionals is essential for lethal injection,” writes Jonathan Groner in the November 2, 2002, issue of the British Medical Journal . “Medical skills are needed to start intravenous lines, set up intravenous infusion sets, and measure out and administer the appropriate drugs.” For example, at the execution of Jose High in Jackson, Georgia, in 2001, it was a nurse who first tried to start a peripheral IV line in the inmate. After about 30 minutes of unsuccessful attempts, a physician was called in to insert a central catheter in High’s right subclavian vein.

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Refusing to participate is not simple. According to Human Rights Watch, in the early 1980s California’s corrections department successfully lobbied against legislation that would have protected state-employed physicians who refused to participate in executions, retaining the right to force them to do so.

Although a few states, such as New Mexico, specifically exempt health care workers employed by the department of corrections from taking part in executions, in most states their participation remains a murky topic. This has led such critics as Groner to compare the practice to Nazi Germany’s euthanasia program, in which the state used clinicians to kill physically and mentally handicapped people.

Whether clinicians’ involvement in executions constitutes a violation of ethics isn’t obvious to all nurses. On an Internet nursing forum at www.allnurses.com , a nurse recently posted the question, “I’m wondering if nurses administer lethal injection in places like [Texas] or any other states that take part in capital punishment. If so, what is the salary like?” To which another nurse replied, “How dare you try to steal my ideal job!!! I too am very interested in this kind of job.”— Dalia Sofer

Apologies but with a sensitive issue like this we have to be careful that we do not violate copyright and although copyright is very murky in the land of the internet "Fair usage" is usually allowed I have edited but left the important bits (I hope) . Gwenith


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Old Mar 04, 2005, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by steelcityrn
I read this yesterday in my AJN. Even though those who were quoted claim they were just joking around, they crossed the line. Open mouth and incert foot! If you TRUELY are a nurse, your emphesis would always be on caring for people!

Even if they were not joking around, nurses like a lot of people in America are pro-death penalty. Some of the people put to death have committed horrible crimes. To say that they would willingly assist in the execution to me is not so controversial. I'm sure there were nurses in Oklahoma that would have willingly started the IV that killed Mr. McVeigh. If one is pro-captial punishment, then it is not a stretch that they would do this.

Yeah, it's a bit odd that somone would say they are actually seeking out the job, but who am I to judge?

I care for criminals all the time in my hospital, murderers, rapists, drug pushers, etc. I don't judge them. And no, I wouldn't want the job of being part of the medical team that kills a convicted death row inmate, but wouldn't judge those who do participate as not being a "true" nurse.

Let me also say, I find the article very poor journalism.

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Old Mar 04, 2005, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by steelcityrn
I read this yesterday in my AJN. Even though those who were quoted claim they were just joking around, they crossed the line. Open mouth and incert foot! If you TRUELY are a nurse, your emphesis would always be on caring for people!
To me it was obvious the poster was joking, as we all have done - not expecting the AJN to be lurking looking for something they can twist to make their story. Personally, I have never had any respect for the AJN, and have never subscribed. I could not work in a prison because I could not, in good conscience, give nursing care to prisoners who have murdered, raped, tortured people etc. I am also a firm believer in capital punishment. Does that make me less of a nurse?

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Old Mar 04, 2005, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by weetziebat
To me it was obvious the poster was joking, as we all have done - not expecting the AJN to be lurking looking for something they can twist to make their story. Personally, I have never had any respect for the AJN, and have never subscribed. I could not work in a prison because I could not, in good conscience, give nursing care to prisoners who have murdered, raped, tortured people etc. I am also a firm believer in capital punishment. Does that make me less of a nurse?
In my opinion, it would only make you less of a nurse if you refused emergency care to a prisoner who was brought to you. Like you, I stay far removed from situations where I would have to do that. As far as being pro- death penalty, of course it doesn't make you less of a nurse. Just because we have an ethical obligation to provide care to our patients doesn't mean we have an ethical obligation to worry about what becomes of people who aren't our patients!!!

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