[suzanne4]

Originally Posted by icedragon

Wow, that's good news for 60,000 Philippine RNs who can go to the USA soon!

Sorry, but they do not all go to those from one country. And it is spread over three years, but we do not expect anything soon. This is an election year and chances of this bill getting thru in the near future is not even a blink on the screen.

And there are others from other countries that are included in this, it is not specific to anyone country at all.

Lets be realistic here.

[suzanne4]

Originally Posted by Alexk49

I am a clinical instructor in a US ,LPN program. Many of my students have college degrees and have opted for the LPN program since they can't get into the RN program. Once they are LPNs they will be able to get in the LPN-RN program.

Even though I have over 30 years of experience, I got no assistance in getting my MSN two years ago from my government and very little from my employer, 10K a year would have been great!

My point is, that my government needs to support US citizens first, not import nurses. US trained nurses are better since they support and have ties to the community ( they are not sending money home to a foreign country). Patients like having US trained nurses since they are cultural sensitive to the needs of their patients. If a hospital needs to support nurses, don't you think they are better investing money in the community rather then importing nurses?

I feel bad that the overseas nurses have been told that USA will cure all their financial problems.....I would be very concern if this bill passes and shame on who ever proposes this bill

The state of MI has actually put a program in place that provides training for two years for the ADN for those that have been laid off from other industries and they are paying for it all for the two years.

And not sure where you live, but there are employers all over the country that contribute a sizable amount for tuition reimbursement. But again, money should be spent on helping Americans rather than spending $10,000 plus to import a nurse from another country first.

[calabash]

while I understand every thing that ms Suzanne says, I must say that from other sources there is a definite shortage of nurses in the US. and oversea trained nurses have contributed allot to American health care. Nurses trained in my part of the world are highly skilled and those I know that are presently working in the US, for eg apetition was made to retain one of them who was planning on leaving her hospital. so dont feel bad American nu
rse. we are not trying to take your job we are just good nurses.

[suzanne4]

Originally Posted by calabash

while I understand every thing that ms Suzanne says, I must say that from other sources there is a definite shortage of nurses in the US. and oversea trained nurses have contributed allot to American health care. Nurses trained in my part of the world are highly skilled and those I know that are presently working in the US, for eg apetition was made to retain one of them who was planning on leaving her hospital. so dont feel bad American nu
rse. we are not trying to take your job we are just good nurses.

Again, shortages are dependent upon the area. You also went to nursing school and I assume have worked as an RN and have experience. Am I not correct? But when someone went to nursing school for the sole purpose of being able to immediately go to the US without having a local license or any experience and most of the training is not the same clinically as here, then there is cause for concern. And that is my point. If things open up, then there is not an issue with someone from your country getting a visa, but when you have a limit of 10,000 green cards per year for those from the larger countries and have more than 950,000 in nursing school in one country in particular, then there are many issues with this. The US does not need to change their requirements to be able to give jobs when there own country does not have them.

The issue is still that jobs should go to Americans first and when an American can get trained in the same amount of time that it takes for one to go thru licensure and immigration, that makes the only sense to me and to others here.

We do not have a unlimited need for nurses, that is what you are reading by some agencies but when working here, things are quite different.

[calabash]

you are right ms Suzanne I have years of experience 17 to be exact and most of my friends in the US have that much to. It is realy not right to do nursing just to go to the US. The girls that have gone, this was never their intention in nursing school either and some went through family petitions.I had no intention of leaving either untill one of my friends encouraged me to move on, I could work and study and my kids could have good educational opportunities.After all that I am hearing now, I am looking into the possibility of cancelling the petition. There is no place like home.

[Alexk49]

The Wallstreet Journal reported today the nursing shortage is easing and getting better due to a weak economy. Many part time US nurses are working extra.
http://www.healthnewsdigest.com/news...oks_Good.shtml Bottom line as the economy gets worse more nurses will work more. No need for importing nurses

[suzanne4]

And if a spouse gets laid off or the couple get divorced, then you are going to see more nurses return to the field as well.

Things are not as bad here as you hear reported in other countries or from agencies that wish to place you.

And because of the lay-offs in different fields, many are being paid to go back to school for two years of training and they are taking up nursing and that is the same time that it used to take to get thru the immigration procedure. So add in the fact that there are many more that wish to work in the Us, so they are going to be assessing those that have the better skills and training and experience. Same thing that you would do if you were the one that is hiring.

[Alexk49]

Originally Posted by suzanne4

And not sure where you live, but there are employers all over the country that contribute a sizable amount for tuition reimbursement. But again, money should be spent on helping Americans rather than spending $10,000 plus to import a nurse from another country first.

I live in Mass, we have so many nursing schools, the tutition reimbursement is geared tolds CNA going back to school, not RNs advancing their degree. Having a MSN has opened my doors and I am grateful.

I don't see the need to import nurses here in the Boston area, new grads have a hard time finding jobs in hosptials. We had 150 applications for 5 new nurse program.

We have many nursing unions, they do not welcome importing nurse either.

I think the bottom line is if you hear something that is too good to me true often it is a scam. I get many emails from Nigeria promising to make me a millionaire and I don't send them my money. In the Phillipine the students who wish to come to America need to check if there is a need before they enroll in a program that promises them a job in the USA or elsewhere.

[icedragon]

Philippine RNs make note. There's no nursing shortage in the US. Maybe there's no more room for all of you here. No need to import any more nurses from the PI.

[ryan_2008]

Originally Posted by icedragon

Philippine RNs make note. There's no nursing shortage in the US. Maybe there's no more room for all of you here. No need to import any more nurses from the PI.

You cant stop these people on applying to go to work to the US, to work as a Nurse, tell that to the Indians, and also to the Chinese. Sooner or later they will be working here, 5 or more years they will be willing to wait. A 4 yr nursing course is no joke, unlike here in the US, most of the kids here are just happy to finish highschool.

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