[tiggertoo]

My point is that there is age discrimination out there, and if you haven't yet experienced it, you will. Also, that people doing hiring need to let the candidates themselves decide what they can live with, e.g. being supervised by younger people, taking less pay etc. Not knowing the circumstances and not hiring people based on what you think they can or cannot deal with leads in my opionin to chronic unemployment and homelessness.

[LZRN]

You do know this thread is about the Navy, right? The philosophy below might work for soup kitchens and burger joints, but not the Navy. Sorry.

Originally Posted by tiggertoo

My point is that there is age discrimination out there, and if you haven't yet experienced it, you will. Also, that people doing hiring need to let the candidates themselves decide what they can live with, e.g. being supervised by younger people, taking less pay etc. Not knowing the circumstances and not hiring people based on what you think they can or cannot deal with leads in my opionin to chronic unemployment and homelessness.

[PMFB-RN]

Originally Posted by LZRN

ALCON,

I want to be comissioned as a Nurse in the Navy. I am a prior enlisted Marine Ssgt, have a BS in Criminal Justice and an ADN.

*** FYI you could be comissioned in the regular, active air force with those qualifications.
It's simple, if the navy can get enough nurses with BSNs then they will never accept anything else. The only way that policy will change is if the navy becomes desperate for nurses. The navy used to have a program where ADN RNs could enter active duty as warrent officers and work on their BSN while serving as warrents. That was in the early 90's, I don't know when they did away with it but I was disapointed that they did away with it.

[tiggertoo]

Originally Posted by LZRN

You do know this thread is about the Navy, right? The philosophy below might work for soup kitchens and burger joints, but not the Navy. Sorry.

Sorry I thought I was responding to what ,DanznRN had said

"I am 33 and have 10 years nursing experience would outrank you because of my time already in, would you want to take orders or work for someone that had less years experience or was younger? Could be a bad deal, maybe not, but that is why they have the limits."

[DanznRN]

Tiggertoo-

This is not about age discrimination, you apparently misconstured some of what I said. You're focusing on that one point and not the whole answer. The military is different than the civy world, your response works in that world, not in the military. We have a strict ranking system that has been in place for hundreds of years, it is time tested and proven to work in the battlefield. The military is not just about employing people, it is about protecting the country. It would be very hard to do that if you have everyone in the military complaining about having to take orders from a less experienced and in some cases younger personal. It is contrary to good order and discipline, which is the hallmark and backbone of our functioning military. As for 10 years from now, I will retire from the Navy. Additionally, I would not to be working, fighting along side someone who came to the military just because they had no better place to go. I agree that joblessness and homelessness are a problem, but that is for another forum. I suggest you take another, more complete, look at the thread and try to glean the meaning that is in it, age discrimination is not part of it. For the record, my father was a victim of age discrimination when I was younger, spent 18 months fighting it too and he won, so I have first hand experience.

LCDR Dan

[DanznRN]

Not sure what happened here.

[Gennaver]

Originally Posted by tiggertoo

I like your response, however, I would like for you to remember to ask yourself that question in 10 years. If you are facing unemployment or living on the streets, working under someone younger or less experienced takes a back seat.

I also like this response...we've got many generations of people working together in this world. Age is not necessarily an issue at all. Yet, even with seeing and feeling the generation gap of the newest generation, (I am 40) I do not feel that it diminishing THIER humanity or INTEGRITY one bit.

They are people too and yes, I will take 'orders' from someone younger than me.

The relationship between age/wisdom/leadership ability is NOT always proportional.

Gen
edit to clarify: I see that this response is not dealing with rank or the Military either yet, it may not be inappropriate

[DanznRN]

Originally Posted by Gennaver

I also like this response...we've got many generations of people working together in this world. Age is not necessarily an issue at all. Yet, even with seeing and feeling the generation gap of the newest generation, (I am 40) I do not feel that it diminishing THIER humanity or INTEGRITY one bit. I did not say anything about dimishing ones integrity or humanity because of age. Being older does not make you less or more of a person.

They are people too and yes, I will take 'orders' from someone younger than me. You may, but american society as a whole would probably see it differently and that is what the military is, a cross-section of america.

The relationship between age/wisdom/leadership ability is NOT always proportional. In the civy world that may true, in the military they think it is even when it is not. To them it is a very linear equation, as you get older you get better, if the rank doesn't roughly fit your age, they think it's a problem.

Gen
edit to clarify: I see that this response is not dealing with rank or the Military either yet, it may not be inappropriate

The original post did and that is what I responded too. I was not turning this into an age discrimination discussion. I wanted to put out why the military does it they way they do as it has been explained to me. Now, if someone wants to disagree, so be it, I have plenty of over 40s that can do better on the PRT than me, that's not the issue. The issue was why was there an age cap in place in the military, that's what I answered.

LCDR Dan