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Originally Posted by I_am_Julia

The assignment is punitive.

THANK YOU Julia!!!!!! I totally feel so.

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Thanks GIRN!

[firstyearstudent]

Originally Posted by TraumaICURN

I understand that you are 40 y/o....but you have to realize that you're still a student. Right now what she says goes. It would be even worse if she was a 26 y/o clinical instructor telling you what to do (which happens). Just do what you have to do to pass, and not sweat the small stuff. You have worked so hard to get into nursing school. Good luck!

I don't think the age issue factors in here. Even a 19 year old shouldn't be expected to write a paper like this. Actually, I wouldn't let my son who is in grade school put up with this type of "teaching." It's unprofessional and ineffective. These methods are a holdover from military-style nurse training of the past. If the nursing profession wants to position itself as a serious academic discipline, then nursing programs have to behave like serious academic programs. I know that there are special issues surrounding nurse training, such as clinicals, but other professions have these (social worker, teacher, psychotherapist) without the degradation and humiliation I often see. It is our duty as future nurses to forward the profession, not just accept whatever is dished out because "she's the teacher."

Age does come into it here in that I am experienced enough and educated enough to critically think about my experience and not swallow it or have blind faith in it. I can also develop a more three-dimensional idea of who my instructors really are -- their talents as well as their failings. And what I think about nurse training is a lot of it is b.s.

[TriageRN_34]

That is not abuse really...a little juvinile and over the top yes...but hey...you won't forget it will ya?

One day I forgot to do someone I/O (intake and output report)...just one person because I got busy with a code I watched....oh wow go figure..but oops!

This person was about to be discharged and was actually on bathroom privilage and not really on a count by MD (no order), but it is hospital policy...so oops...

My instructor not only yelled at me in our discussion group after the day, but had me do a paper on the importance of I/O that had to be at LEAST 5 pages with footnotes, headers and such! OMG comming up with 5 pages was hard!!!!!! BUT, I have never missed an I/O report, and just this last week was told by several MD's that complain about the lack of people that do I/O's that I was trustworthy in them....so it did pay off...7 years later..LOL! Her point...that something insignificant at first..is about as important as a code, because frankly..those are the little things that if caught..will stop a code...

Yesterday I had a preceptee...and told them that story and we actually found a man that had an input of 1200cc and output 300cc...she was a smart cookie and started doing checks for retention and fluid overload (I was so proud!!!!!!). Hey...although a pain in the arse, and I was afraid of that instructor for a year....it helped me and others!!!!!!!

Sometimes fate does have a part to play I feel...may not seem fair or significant now..but just you wait!

[CHATSDALE]

perhaps the instructor was required to show that a follow up had been done to the error...the nurse mgr nor the ptb at the school were there when the incident happened so this would cover her butt if there was a question brought up later
two things that are not relevant..her age or your age..you will be precepting new nurses in a few years that are half your age..you will want them to follow your instructons about patient care and facility policy
choose your battles carefully..if it is important stand up..a one page report is not important..if you are sarcastic you may pat yourself on the back and feel smug but you may have made an enemy out of someone who did not think that tis was a big deal
i can whip out a a report on any subject in no time with brain in neutral
one bad thing about nursing school is that there is a waiting list for students and there is a drastic shortage of instructors
chalk this up to a learning experience
grin and bear it

[firstyearstudent]

Triage RN:

Interesting... But I don't think an essay on listening to the teacher iis the same as a researched paper on the importance of I/O, and I think your instructor could have made the same point, been just as effective and set a better example if she didn't yell.

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Originally Posted by TriageRN_34

That is not abuse really...a little juvinile and over the top yes...but hey...you won't forget it will ya?

One day I forgot to do someone I/O (intake and output report)...just one person because I got busy with a code I watched....oh wow go figure..but oops!

This person was about to be discharged and was actually on bathroom privilage and not really on a count by MD (no order), but it is hospital policy...so oops...

My instructor not only yelled at me in our discussion group after the day, but had me do a paper on the importance of I/O that had to be at LEAST 5 pages with footnotes, headers and such! OMG comming up with 5 pages was hard!!!!!! BUT, I have never missed an I/O report, and just this last week was told by several MD's that complain about the lack of people that do I/O's that I was trustworthy in them....so it did pay off...7 years later..LOL! Her point...that something insignificant at first..is about as important as a code, because frankly..those are the little things that if caught..will stop a code...

Yesterday I had a preceptee...and told them that story and we actually found a man that had an input of 1200cc and output 300cc...she was a smart cookie and started doing checks for retention and fluid overload (I was so proud!!!!!!). Hey...although a pain in the arse, and I was afraid of that instructor for a year....it helped me and others!!!!!!!

Sometimes fate does have a part to play I feel...may not seem fair or significant now..but just you wait!

Hi TriageRN, and I respectfully and congenially TOTALLY disagree. Your first statement, "a little juvenille and over the top,...but you won't forget it, will you?"...I'm old enough to know that it's important to "listen to teacher"...I've been a teacher. I make a mistake, I learn from it, and I dont' do it again. Period. I don't need to write a paper about "listening to teacher" to help me remember it. I won't forget my mistake because I wrote a paper about listening - I won't forget it because it was wrong and against hospital documentation policy. And the paper you mentioned having to write - well, at least it was about nursing, and the subject at hand (I&O)....not a paper about "listening"...at least by writing the paper, you got to go over, again, all the stuff pertaining to I&O, and though no doubt you knew it, it couldn't hurt to re-assess your knowledge in a paper. My twelve year-old son could have written my "listening to teacher" paper, but I was too shocked and ashamed to admit to anyone in my life that I was assigned such a paper. I appreciate your input, and I hope that I'm not sounding pissy (I'm not, honest! ). Thanks to everyone, again ...all responses have helped. These forums are great for support.

[Chaya]

Too bad she won't just let you take the spanking instead. Oh well. Time to get out the really BIG shovel (if you've made it this far in nursing I'm sure it's ever at the ready).

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Originally Posted by Chaya

Too bad she won't just let you take the spanking instead. Oh well. Time to get out the really BIG shovel (if you've made it this far in nursing I'm sure it's ever at the ready).

Oh, Chaya, you are SOOOO funny! we're definitely on the same page...we all try to carry packages of KY jelly in our pockets, just for the humor!!! The shovel is a great idea - I definitely need that! I'm totally sure this aged women would, indeed, to the paddle if she could!! Thanks for making me laugh over such a stupid assignment -
she can't take that away from me. Would you come to class with me, too, along with "firstyearstudent" ? cameraderie is the best medicine when dealing with: :troll: You have a great evening!