[indigo girl]

Originally Posted by mandana

The bottom line, for me, is that I believe that IF there is a connection between vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders (and that's a big IF), I feel that the risk of not vaccinating is significantly greater. We travel, we live in a community with a large immigrant population, I support the concepts of herd immunity, and I am 100% positive that I am only alive because I was vaccinated as a child.

Thank you for respecting my opinions on vaccinating my children! While I agree that a miniscule portion of the population may have problems the vaccine, I am very, very concerned about nurses feeding into parents natural fears about vaccination. The link I included in my previous post is exactly why - children are now suffering mumps because the Thimersol fears started with the MMR vaccine.

I support complementary therapies, my family eats incredibly healthily, and I do everything I can to maintain health for my children. A big part of maintaining their health is ensuring that they do not suffer from diseases that are completely avoidable.

Amanda

My discussions about these issues are on these forums only. "Feeding into parents natural fears about vaccination" would not happen from over here.
I respect my patients' belief systems just as I do yours though I may not share them.
In my work, if a vaccination is ordered, my job is to give the necessary precaution information (and no more than that) as required, get the informed consent, safely administer, document and monitor my patients. That is what I do. These discussions have no place in the workplace. I do not intrude on the faith a patient or family may have in what their physician has ordered for them.
For the record, I am not against all vaccinations. But, I would have to carefully consider each one just as anyone else would do. My biggest concern has most to do with the absolute trust given to the some of the regulatory agencies in this country. I am not advocating revolt here, just caution. Conflicts of interest do exist with some of these agencies. And, I have a real problem with state ordered mandates requring children to be vaccinated against the wishes of their parents. For me this is a civil liberties issue.

[indigo girl]

Originally Posted by Suesquatch

Interesting. According to that article, the polio numbers were manipulated. Now, as a child in the 50s born pre-polio-vaccination, I remember lots of people walking around with braces from the illness, and my parents remember entire families being wiped out from the disease.

The only U.S. outbreak of the disease in decades was within a small, non-immunizing Amish community.

Not true, it was not a wild polio virus.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri3.htm

[mercyteapot]

Vaccinations have never been about the health of the individual. They're all about public health.

[Suesquatch]

Originally Posted by indigo girl

Not true, it was not a wild polio virus.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri3.htm

Five cases. Not an epidemic, an outbreak.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/na...erland&emc=rss

[Mimi2RN]

As a child, I had Measles, Whooping Cough, German Measles (aka Rubeola, Pertusis, Rubella). I was exposed to chicken pox (later had shingles at the age of 13). Also I had a positive Mumps titer, so I was exposed at some time. I also knew kids who had Diptheria, Scarlet Fever (Thank God for antibiotics), and one boy in my school died from Tetanus. A neighbour girl was brain damaged from Measles at the age of five. And let's not forget the children crippled with Polio.

I also had two brothers, who also had their share of diseases, very hard on my mother. Anyone who complains about vaccinations doesn't know much about the diseases they prevent!

Nobody wants to go back to those days.

[indigo girl]

Originally Posted by Suesquatch

Five cases. Not an epidemic, an outbreak.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/na...erland&emc=rss

Yes, it was an outbreak caused by the use of live polio vaccine (not by the Amish). And, that's the point, it was vaccine induced. You could make a case for protecting the unvaccinated from the innoculated here. They are now using a nonlive vaccine so it will be interesting to see how this plays out over time. As the farmer said, some of the Amish think vaccines may be bad for the immune system. Interesting folks, the Amish, intriguing that they, for the most part, don't have social security numbers.

[indigo girl]

Originally Posted by Mimi2RN

As a child, I had Measles, Whooping Cough, German Measles (aka Rubeola, Pertusis, Rubella). I was exposed to chicken pox (later had shingles at the age of 13). Also I had a positive Mumps titer, so I was exposed at some time. I also knew kids who had Diptheria, Scarlet Fever (Thank God for antibiotics), and one boy in my school died from Tetanus. A neighbour girl was brain damaged from Measles at the age of five. And let's not forget the children crippled with Polio.

I also had two brothers, who also had their share of diseases, very hard on my mother. Anyone who complains about vaccinations doesn't know much about the diseases they prevent!

Nobody wants to go back to those days.

Actually, some of those "complaining" do know quite a bit about these diseases. Agreed, we don't want to go back to those days. Some, but not all vaccinations are problematic. This may be due to the timing of when they are given. It may be due to unknown risk factors that child has (some genetic, some environmental). It may be due to what the mom was exposed to during her pregnancy. Sometimes, just waiting until the child is older with a more developed immune system, and spacing vaccines further apart, might be a safer option. We actually get to make these decisions if we choose to, but some health providers will try to make us bad and wrong and crazy for doing so.

[indigo girl]

Originally Posted by marilynmom

No one knows for how long any vax gives immunity for really. *Most* vaccines do not give lifeling immunity, that is why your supposed to get boosters but who ever does? There have been quite a few studies done on the HepB vaccine and how long it lasts and most studies have show it to be from 8-15 years for most....I've seen other groups claiming it is lifelong but I'm not buying that for most people. If you search on medline or something similiar I was able to bring up quite a few studies real quick.

I think it just varies from person to person, some people get 3 rounds of the HepB series and still have no antibodies from it....how do you know your child isn't one of them and you think they are protected when they are not? For all I know my oldest dd was one of the people who didn't develop antibodies that is one of the reason I will get her titers checked as a teen. And "they" say that is rare to not develop antibodies (of course they do, they do want our money...lol) but I've known too many people who didn't respond to the vaccine to think it is that rare ya know?

So IMO vaccine newborns for it is silly unless high risk, I think it would be better served and more effective vaccinating kids around the age of 12 or 13 or something like that (or maybe even 10 or 11 when some kids are having sex nowday....). I've also read that you actually respond better to certain vaccines when your older and your immune system is more mature.

I agree with waiting. I, myself developed no antibodies despite three injections. And, also know of a surgeon with no antibodies. Would I do it again? No, but that's my personal choice. Maybe if I didn't know about my med tech's husband, a police officer who had one injection (required for his job), and was in the ICU in liver failure afterwards.

[Suesquatch]

Originally Posted by indigo girl

Yes, it was an outbreak caused by the use of live polio vaccine (not by the Amish). And, that's the point, it was vaccine induced. You could make a case for protecting the unvaccinated from the innoculated here. They are now using a nonlive vaccine so it will be interesting to see how this plays out over time. As the farmer said, some of the Amish think vaccines may be bad for the immune system. Interesting folks, the Amish, intriguing that they, for the most part, don't have social security numbers.

Huh? It was Amish children who were infected, who were not innoculated. There has never been a case of a vaccinated person transmitting the vaccine virus to another human.

[Jolie]

Originally Posted by indigo girl

Yes, it was an outbreak caused by the use of live polio vaccine (not by the Amish). And, that's the point, it was vaccine induced. You could make a case for protecting the unvaccinated from the innoculated here. They are now using a nonlive vaccine so it will be interesting to see how this plays out over time. As the farmer said, some of the Amish think vaccines may be bad for the immune system. Interesting folks, the Amish, intriguing that they, for the most part, don't have social security numbers.

The article clearly stated that the source of this girl's infection is UNKNOWN,
and that the genetic make-up of her virus was SIMILAR, but not identical to, that used in live vaccines outside the US, but NOT in this country.

To post that her infection was caused by the live polio vaccine is to spread mis-information.