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Originally Posted by dutch92602

My point was that "elizabells" stated nothing was shown and the patient was fully draped. This is NOT so. Yes, there are many people in this world like Brittany Spears that don't care what they show and to whom. There are many, many more people that don't agree with that and find this over the top. CEU's yes, but all persons can view this that are not in need of CEU's. Did these patients really understand to what extent they would be displayed and handled to be viewed by the world? I wonder.

You can wonder all you want but without proof to the contrary thats all you are doing. Most patients when presented with the question: "Can we film this for an educational medical film? You will in no way be identifiable." Would say yes. Having been in a couple of these productions I can tell you that the patients are carefully selected for the principle of not minding. It is similar to the people who volunteer to demonstrate vaginal or testicular exams to medical students (or PA students). Some might do it for money, but most do it because they realize the importance of the medical student learning how to do it in a non-pressure environment with someone who is good at communicating in a non-judgmental manner. While I personally would find this awkward, I have tremendous respect for those who do this. I don't judge their motives, I was appreciative of the opportunity.

We are who we are not who people make us.

David Carpenter, PA-C

[elizabells]

Originally Posted by dutch92602

My point was that "elizabells" stated nothing was shown and the patient was fully draped. This is NOT so.

Actually "dutch", what I stated was that in the videos I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN nothing was shown. Therefore you have no right to question my veracity. None of us are able to speak to anything outside our own experience.

You know what? This isn't a debate. This is a personal crusade. No amount of logic and reason is going to make a whit of difference here, because one person's feelings of being wronged (which are very real, and unfortunate) have led said person to believe that all OR staff are perverted voyeurs out to take advantage of their patients. I'm out.

[WitchyRN]

Originally Posted by elizabells

Actually "dutch", what I stated was that in the videos I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN nothing was shown. Therefore you have no right to question my veracity. None of us are able to speak to anything outside our own experience.

You know what? This isn't a debate. This is a personal crusade. No amount of logic and reason is going to make a whit of difference here, because one person's feelings of being wronged (which are very real, and unfortunate) have led said person to believe that all OR staff are perverted voyeurs out to take advantage of their patients. I'm out.

Well said, you can't have an intelligent debate when 1)logic becomes overtaken with any personal vendettas or biases and 2)when the person you're having a discussion with has no concrete knowledge about the topic, and no interest in learning. I think most people here have attempted to present the facts calmly and rationally and it's going nowhere...

[WitchyRN]

Originally Posted by dutch92602

If you think this video stuff is ALL so inocent then go to the following:

[This is just a sampling]

http://www.or-live/hartfordhospital/1353.com

http://www.or-live.com
Revolutionary techniques in penile implant surgery March 26, 2007

Watch the full video

Shows no faces but shows ALL except for the hair removal. That has already been done in both videos. Would you want yourself or your husband displayed like this? For OR nurses..Is this how a genital prep is done on a male?

When you're prepping an area, you have to be able to see where you are prepping, so it is done in a sterile manner. I see no problem with how the gentleman was prepped. I don't see what the problem is and again, this process is not sexual or voyeuristic. I think anyone that thinks it is has some severe issues.

This time I'm done...honest!

[CuttingEdgeRN]

This "rant" started in this thread which was finally locked.
http://allnurses.com/forums/f39/rnfa...on-273427.html
Not sure why this one hasn't been closed.

[traumaRUs]

I'm about to remedy that - thanks...