[djc1981]

Just a question. For those students who are in MSN-NP programs at the time of 2015..what happens there?? Can they be grandfathered in..or will they have to continue on?

[pinoyNP]

Just thought I'd share this article in this forum:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1207...e_health_right

[pinoyNP]

Originally Posted by djc1981

Just a question. For those students who are in MSN-NP programs at the time of 2015..what happens there?? Can they be grandfathered in..or will they have to continue on?

The current word is that MSN prepared NP's should be grandfathered and can still practice as NP's if the requirement for a DNP pushes through in 2015. However, the article I just posted a link to above threw somewhat of a curveball. It says that there is actually a plan to offer a separate certification for DNP educated NP's. This will add a new dimension to the DNP vs MSN debate. However, I know it's pretty premature to get all up in arms about this DNP-only certification idea.

[elkpark]

Originally Posted by pinoyNP

The current word is that MSN prepared NP's should be grandfathered and can still practice as NP's if the requirement for a DNP pushes through in 2015. However, the article I just posted a link to above threw somewhat of a curveball. It says that there is actually a plan to offer a separate certification for DNP educated NP's. This will add a new dimension to the DNP vs MSN debate. However, I know it's pretty premature to get all up in arms about this DNP-only certification idea.

The article also talked about significantly expanding the scope of practice for DNP-prepared NPs. I still think that the ivied-tower types are going to have a very hard time getting the "real world" nursing community to embrace this idea, and nothing's going to happen (in terms of mandates, licensure, certifications, SOP changes, etc.) unless "we" (the rest of the nursing community) get on board.

[dhigbee]

Why the difference in certification, unless they're training administrators??? The extra doctorate courses look like more nursing theory and research, healthcare administration and policy, and risk management. Not what I need in my personal practice to take care of my patients better. If I went for a doctorate, I'd want more courses in areas like advanced pathyphys, disease management and pharm. (Plus training in reading EKGs and x-rays, for crying out loud). All the DNP programs I've looked at do not appeal to me at all, and I've looked at quite a few.

If I seem frustrated, it's because I am. The DNP curriculum looks like it was designed by a group of ivory tower PhD's that are out of touch with the real needs of those of us in practice. Sorry for the rant.

Dana

[jjjoy]

Originally Posted by dhigbee

If I went for a doctorate, I'd want more courses in areas like advanced pathyphys, disease management and pharm. (Plus training in reading EKGs and x-rays, for crying out loud).

Oh, but ANYONE can be trained in those skills SO easily, whereas the UNIQUE nursing perspective as applied to administration, research, etc is the TRUE value of a nursing education, right? Why should schools waste time teaching the PRACTICAL SKILLS a nurse will need in their practice when it is so much MORE IMPORTANT to instill nursing VALUES & ways of thinking to be applied while applying those practical skills that the nurses will EVENTUALLY pick up somewhere along the way?

[core0]

Originally Posted by jjjoy

Oh, but ANYONE can be trained in those skills SO easily, whereas the UNIQUE nursing perspective as applied to administration, research, etc is the TRUE value of a nursing education, right? Why should schools waste time teaching the PRACTICAL SKILLS a nurse will need in their practice when it is so much MORE IMPORTANT to instill nursing VALUES & ways of thinking to be applied while applying those practical skills that the nurses will EVENTUALLY pick up somewhere along the way?

More important why would the schools want to teach skills that Employers actually value when they can teach skills that nursing educators value?

David Carpenter, PA-C

[dhigbee]

You guys are killing me!

[pinoyNP]

Just a follow-up article to the one published in the Wall Street Journal. Looks like the certification exam for DNP's is starting in November 2008. I wonder what the BON's take is on this.

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...67&newsLang=en

[jjjoy]

Originally Posted by core0

More important why would the schools want to teach skills that Employers actually value when they can teach skills that nursing educators value?

I suppose it partly comes from the idea that many in academia have that a college education isn't vocational training; it's about critical thinking and a broad-based foundation. Graduate education tends to be more specialized, but is it "supposed to" be practical training? It's fine if it's not, except for the problem of how/where students are then to learn the necessary vocational/practical skills which the university education is supposed to improve upon?

As you note, where are students to learn the specific skills that employers are looking for? Yes, a smart person with a strong foundation and critical thinking skills can be trained, but most employers want a smart person who is already trained. I'd sigh again, here, but I'm all sighed out.