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Old May 03, 2008, 03:44 PM
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union pro or con

does your hospital have a union for the nurses? if so has it helped or not?

why do nurses constantly eat each other rather than say have a more powerful labor voice when dealing with all these health care systems or merged hospitals which really means big corporations concerned with one thing there bottom line not your wages.

Don't you think it is sad that in most places in the USA a RN makes less than a dental hygenist....
heck in upstate NY my Hygenist makes over 30 bucks a hour and she started at 29 dollars a hour far more than what a starting RN will make here.

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Old May 04, 2008, 07:17 AM
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Re: union pro or con

Originally Posted by mark3274 View Post
does your hospital have a union for the nurses? if so has it helped or not?

why do nurses constantly eat each other rather than say have a more powerful labor voice when dealing with all these health care systems or merged hospitals which really means big corporations concerned with one thing there bottom line not your wages.

Don't you think it is sad that in most places in the USA a RN makes less than a dental hygenist....
heck in upstate NY my Hygenist makes over 30 bucks a hour and she started at 29 dollars a hour far more than what a starting RN will make here.
Hiya Mark,
where in upstate NY are you? I WISH my hospital was union. They keep outvoting the union rep. But I don't remember getting a vote!!

Chloe

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Old May 04, 2008, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chloe'sinNYNow View Post
Hiya Mark,
where in upstate NY are you? I WISH my hospital was union. They keep outvoting the union rep. But I don't remember getting a vote!!

Chloe
hey chloe I am working in Buffalo but am Rochester raised.

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Old May 04, 2008, 04:40 PM
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hey chloe I am working in Buffalo but am Rochester raised.
Dang Mark,
sure wish you were closer! How is it going in nursing Buffalo world for you? What's your nursing specialty? Union/non-union? Preference?

Chloe

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Old May 04, 2008, 05:40 PM
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Re: union pro or con

does your hospital have a union for the nurses? if so has it helped or not?
I am now working at my first non-union hospital in my eight year career and it is the most pleasant and patient-centered working environment I have ever been in.

why do nurses constantly eat each other rather than say have a more powerful labor voice when dealing with all these health care systems or merged hospitals which really means big corporations concerned with one thing there bottom line not your wages.
Selfish and uncaring people do not make good nurses. Generous and selfless people do not make good Union members. Last year, the current President of the National Education Association (teachers union) was asked his opinion on the fact that teachers salaries were getting so high in some schools that they are having to shut down band, choir, and art programs just to keep up with payroll requirements, and he said he would start worrying about their interests when they join his Union.

Unionizing will not result in all the things you think it will and should. If working conditions at your hospital are absolutely intolerable, THEN QUIT! Maybe you haven't heard, but there are more nursing jobs then nurses right now, so it's not like that place is the only job you can ever have. If enough people start quitting, it will force the hospital to make the changes they need to make to keep people. It's called a free-market employment system and it is hated by Union leaders everywhere.

Don't you think it is sad that in most places in the USA a RN makes less than a dental hygenist...
Sorry, that is simply not true. Maybe in your hometown they do, but there are many places in the country where nurses can make more than physicians.


Here is something to keep in mind. It's what Union leaders don't want you to think about and will tell you that you shouldn't care about, but if you're a nurse, then you are generous and caring by your very nature, so you won't be able to ignore it:

If you live in an area with a low cost of living, such as upstate NY, then you are going to get paid less than someone who lives and works in Boston or Chicago. To unionize your nurses and strong-arm your hospital in to paying you a wage that is on a par with what nurses in those other cities make, then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. If the salaries of all the nurses go up, then hospital bills are going to skyrocket as well. One thing that Unions are good at is promoting mediocrity: you know that crappy nurse who just got fired for being absolutely incompetent and almost killing a few of her patients? If you had a Union, she'd literally have to kill someone before the hospital could get rid of her.

I'm not saying don't unionize. I'm saying think about what it means for everyone involved; think about what it means for your patients, not just for you.

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Old May 04, 2008, 05:43 PM
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Re: union pro or con

I am very pro unions if they are doing it for the right reasons.

I was a union rep in Australia when they started the Enterprise Bargaining. I believe it to be a win/ win situation for both hospitals and employees although it does get picky at times.

Both, in the end, have to give up a little bit for the common good.

It was done every 3 years with a wage scale set for those 3 years.

I have not lived back in Australia now for 8 years so it may well be different now.

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Old May 05, 2008, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Chloe'sinNYNow View Post
Dang Mark,
sure wish you were closer! How is it going in nursing Buffalo world for you? What's your nursing specialty? Union/non-union? Preference?

Chloe
hey chloe
I am on a cardiac floor So I suppose tele- cardio is my area but have lots of general med pts also.

I would love to be a surgical nurse but that seems harder to get into for whatever reason.

If I can't do that in a while then I will eventually look for a non hospital nursing job I think

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Old May 06, 2008, 07:12 AM
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Re: union pro or con

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hey chloe
I am on a cardiac floor So I suppose tele- cardio is my area but have lots of general med pts also.

I would love to be a surgical nurse but that seems harder to get into for whatever reason.

If I can't do that in a while then I will eventually look for a non hospital nursing job I think
Mark,
you have my respect! I couldn't do that cardio stuff. No talent for the cardio life. I honestly thought OB would be a bit slower paced, but not at all!!! There's a lot to nursing world that keeps us on our toes. But to stay within the scope of this thread, I wonder if being unionized wouldn't better allow me to do my job than worry half the time if I'm going to get written up or fired much of the time for one little error. It seems like management has nothing better to do! Why does it seem like they really aren't watching out for us, but rather out to destroy us? Is this just breaking in the new kid on the block, or is my facility ripe for the union rep?

Good gosh, I cannot type. Must go crash now. Back to back 14 hour nights, then home to Benadryl and must go back again tonight, and tomorrow...

Happy Tuesday (?) y'all!
Chloe

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