[diveRN]

Originally Posted by ingelein

How many jobs are outsourced overseas, when even the poor in America can no longer afford Walmart, we ALL suffer. High tide does NOT float ALL boats.

Ever think about why those jobs are being sent overseas?

[ingelein]

Originally Posted by diveRN

Ever think about why those jobs are being sent overseas?

Yes, because the products can be made by workers who are working for slave wages.The owners of the company can pocket more money.Pretty simple, greed.While workers here in the states keep having more and more of their jobs shipped overseas, who will be able to afford even the "cheap" goods?

[diveRN]

Originally Posted by ingelein

Yes, because the products can be made by workers who are working for slave wages.The owners of the company can pocket more money.Pretty simple, greed.While workers here in the states keep having more and more of their jobs shipped overseas, who will be able to afford even the "cheap" goods?

I gotcha. It sounds like you're saying that we need to elevate the rest of the world's labor force/pay status so that it's equal to ours. Let me know how that goes.

As for being greedy, I guess it's not good business sense for entrepreneurs to get the best deal they can on their merchandise. If you're calling good business sense "greed," then you're more bitter towards the "haves" than I would have guessed.

Try and wrap your mind around a global economy... the US is not a biosphere where outside influences don't have any impact on us. The reason many jobs are going overseas is because there is a willing labor force.

What you consider a "slave" wage may be more money that others have earned in a lifetime. Why do you think so many people want to come to the states and work? Must be baseball and apple pies. Along that line, why should they have to come here if we're importing jobs to their country?

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by diveRN

How many jobs have you created this year? In your lifetime?

Without the efforts of the human capital no jobs or businesses can be sustained. In other words the people who do the work are the greatest resource of any organization.

[herring_RN]

I have been a worker. I have not "created" jobs.
I also have not initiated the lay off of tens of thousands of workers.

But like many nurses I have saved many lives.
And helped people cope with illness and injury.
Helped them achieve a dignified death.
Relieved pain both physical, spiritual, and emotional.
Advocated in the best interest of thise in my care and for many others.
I have given my heart and soul and blood to improve the lives of as many as my abilities, finances, and energy allow.
Most nurses do.

Please again I beg you not to denigrate the work of caregivers.

[diveRN]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

Without the efforts of the human capital no jobs or businesses can be sustained. In other words the people who do the work are the greatest resource of any organization.

I agree with the above, but you completely missed the point ... and are unwittingly helping me to illustrate mine.

Let's recap to stay stay on track: The comment was made that Bush tax cuts did nothing for the middle class and only helped the rich. I said, "the money the rich aren't paying in taxes help create jobs." Herring thinks I'm denigrating nurses. Viking is trying to change the subject by distraction with "people are the greatest resource..."

People ARE the greatest resource in any organization. If the Bush tax cuts are creating jobs, then I'd think this would be a good thing. Union labor likes jobs, new jobs, more jobs. Creating jobs thereby expands the "greatest resource" a business has.

This thread is starting to bore me. Was hoping to have an intelligent conversation because the mental exercise is good, but it sounds more and more like a broken record espousing the same ol' same ol'.

[Spidey's mom]

I agree here .. ..DiveRN isn't denigrating nurses or anyone. The topic veered into tax breaks and whether they are good for all of us.

If you take a look at the Heritage link - you will see that there are good things that come of giving taxpayers and businesses a break - it fuels the economy by allowing us to expand our businesses and hire more people.

We are a tiny example - a small logging business but we were actually able to hire someone this year! It is still hard - the government makes it very very hard to run a business and make a little money. Right now most of our money goes back into the business - purchasing equipment for the tax breaks so we don't have such a huge tax bill - but getting into debt at the same time. Frustrating.

As to union membership - I side with the "no" folks and for all the reasons already given. (just to stay on topic ).


steph

[herring_RN]

I joined a union because the new owners of my hospital owed the shareholders a duty rather than the patients.
As nurses we advocate for our patients.

But these new owner$ came in and laid off RNs and pharmacists. Professionals were replaced with people from dietary and housekeeping who had not chosen to be caregivers.

Then nurses were blamed for the increase in med errors.

Now, although it is not perfect there is safe staffing almost every shift, patients are well cared for. I am certain lives have been saved because nurses with the education, contract, and political siccesses of a union that is led by direct care nurses helped US work toward our many successes.

Regardles of the unemployment rate people need care.

[♪♫ in my ♥]

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My apologies for helping to sidetrack this thread

[pinkeyICU]

Okay, I have to reply only because of the few quotes about unionized airline pilots. My spouse is a pilot for one of the major airlines. Because of pressure from the union the age 60 rule was changed to make it so that pilots could fly to age 65. Was that a good thing? Well, not if you're young and can't move up because now there are all these older guys/gals sticking around because they either didn't have the foresight to prepare for the retirement they knew was mandatory at age 60 or are caught in the trap of rampant consumerism. I cannot speak for every union, but the major airline union (ALPA) -- My Opinion Only -- exists primarily to support the UNION and the old capts at the expense of the industry as a whole and the younger pilots. And there is NO choice of whether or not to join if that is the profession one chooses.