[Gromit]

I've never worked 'union' in this field. Only in others -and while I don't have very fond memories of the times I've been in a union, but do acknowledge that there are times that they can be useful.

[insightful]

Check out the California Nurses Union. This union, not only helped nurses unite on a solid front (safety in numbers) but it managed to successfully take on the California State Government about staffing ratios. Now California has state-mandated staffing ratios. That is only one of the many positive changes that this union has made for nurses.

The California Nursing Union is now working to become a national union.

My attitude is, I have worked unionized hospitals and nonunion hospitals. I found the working conditions in the unionized hospital better. Plus you were not alone and afraid to speak up about problems for fear of management reprecussions.

[SandraRN]

I am a RN in Las Vegas, Nv. and fully support my union the SEIU. I have worked for a facility here for atleast 15 years. Rarely saw a raise prior to the union organizing in my hospital. The raises I saw where in the 5 cent range. Thankyou very much. After organizing we started seeing real raises in the $2-$4 ranges, improvements in our insurance(atleast HMO's premiums for employee and familys are paid for now), floating issues are being addressed, the Kentucky River is now being tackled, and hopefully safe staffing ratios can one day be like Ca. and Washingtons. And thats only a few of the numerous issues that are being battled for by the nurses who belong to a union.
I become angry that other nurses complain that the union doesn't do anything for them. Have they even looked back to see what they have gained from the hard work of the NURSES who belong to a union? Have they walked beside that union NURSE who stood up for them when they would not? It's one thing to complain and another to help. But those nurses who complain and not look at thatNURSE in the face and admit that its the bad employer who takes away and beats down moral and not address the actual issues affecting the patients and nurses. Have they asked themselves why their employer battles them to NOT do the right thing?
My hope one day is to make hospitals accountable for the care they actually give. I also hope one day hospitals are run by nurses and not people holding business degrees where the bottom line is the biggest profit going to only few.

[HM2Viking]

Union for me! My Psych clinical instructor (who was a manager!) consistently shares how the union has improved working conditions overall for nurses in MN with her students.

[Shamira Aizza]

Minnesota is just about one of the most liberal states in the USA with an alleged higher comparative percentage of insured people...I wonder if there's a correlation between that and the need to unionize the hospitals in order to make them tolerable for nurses.

[Shamira Aizza]

PS...I'm also unsure if I think it's proper for a nursing instructor to be applauding and promoting unions in the educational setting.

The fair trade-off would be if it were permitted for another instructor, or a guest instructor to share an opposing viewpoint on unions with the students.

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by Shamira Aizza

PS...I'm also unsure if I think it's proper for a nursing instructor to be applauding and promoting unions in the educational setting.

The fair trade-off would be if it were permitted for another instructor, or a guest instructor to share an opposing viewpoint on unions with the students.

The principle is called academic freedom which is a form of protected speech under the First Amendment. It is legitimate speech to reflect on the impact of labor relations history on working conditions and patient care.

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by Shamira Aizza

Minnesota is just about one of the most liberal states in the USA with an alleged higher comparative percentage of insured people...I wonder if there's a correlation between that and the need to unionize the hospitals in order to make them tolerable for nurses.

Its called a functional social contract. Minnesota is one of the healthiest states in the country overall.

http://covertheuninsured.org/states/?StateID=MN

Quick Facts About Minnesota's Uninsured

In Minnesota, out of a total population of 5,132,799 people, 8.4% do not have health insurance coverage. 6.5% of Minnesota's children are uninsured.

http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.or...AllStates.html
Minnesota is first this year, a position it has held for nine of the 15 years since the 1990 Edition. It was tied for first with New Hampshire in 2003.

[HM2Viking]

Quick Facts About Georgia's Uninsured

In Georgia, out of a total population of 9,072,576 people, 18.9% do not have health insurance coverage. 12.7% of Georgia's children are uninsured.

and

http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.or...AllStates.html
Georgia is 45th this year, its lowest ranking in the 15 years of this report; it was 41st in 2003. Its strengths include a low number of limited activity days per month at 2.0 days in the previous 30 days, a low rate of cancer deaths at 203.0 deaths per 100,000 population and high access to adequate prenatal care at 76.7 percent of pregnant women receiving adequate prenatal care. Challenges include a very low high school graduation rate with 53.6 percent of incoming ninth graders who graduate within four years, a high incidence of infectious disease at 41.3 cases per 100,000 population and low support for public health with just 0.8 percent of the state health budget allocated to public health. Health disparities within the state's prenatal care program are low compared to other states, but more disparity is illustrated by the differences in premature death rates. Black non-Hispanic individuals experience 12,773 years of potential life lost before age 75 per 100,000 population compared to 4,360 years lost for the Hispanic population. Georgia is 45th for the combined measures of risk factors and 41st for the combined measures of outcomes, indicating the state is unlikely to change significantly in ranking in the near future.

I think the relative performance of a liberal state versus Georgia speaks for itself on health outcome measures.

[Sheri257]

This is probably the strongest case for a union, as least in my immediate area. In just a couple of years since one facility was unionized, they've made a difference in increasing pay.

The other hospitals have really been dragging their feet on pay raises, only giving increases when nurses leave to go to the union facility. And, even then, they still don't match the union pay.

Union hospital pay differential versus non-union hospitals, day shift:
At least $3 an hour more
Total annual increase in pay: $5,600
Minus union dues: -$800
Total net pay increase: $4,800 a year

The weekend differentials are a lot better at the union hospital also:
Union weekend differential: $5 an hour
Non-union weekend differential: $2 an hour
Total annual union differential increase: $3,700 a year

Plus, they've got more pay increases that are scheduled for summer under the union contract so ... I do think unions can make a difference with pay.