[RN4MERCY]

The bios and "credentials" of the CNA Board of Directors have been featured in California Nurse. (We've got nothing to hide!) Some went to hospital schools, some have done graduate work and/or have graduate degrees and some were educated at community colleges. We have the same license and we each have employment contracts that protects us from "insubordination" for speaking out against unsafe assignments. You are obviously anti-union and you've chosen to throw stones and cast aspersions on the content of our character instead of engaging in meaningful debate. We have a vision for healthcare, a "12 Step" RN-led Proposal for reform; a long term solution to the corporate healthcare crisis. Simply put, our goal is equal access and a single standard of quality care for all people. Nurses in other states are joining with us in the NNOC, realizing that the promise of managed care has failed to control cost and increase access. Our vision and our voice has been published in The Washington Post, The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Sacramento Bee to name a few. Nurses are calling us and visiting from Australia, Canada, Japan, The Netherlands, England, as well as Arizona, Michigan, Ohio, Maine...to name a few; Many of us have been invited guests on public radio and public access television, have given public testimony to regulatory agencies and legislative healthcare committees. Our socially progressive ideals and ideas will survive and thrive; for every 10 of us you target, another 100 will rise up and continue to build a national movement. From Shakespeare's 'The Tempest', I quote: "A peace above all earthly dignities, A still and quiet conscience...Corruption wins not more than honesty. Still in thy right hand carry gentle peace, To silence envious tongues: be just and fear not. Let all the ends thou aim'st at be thy country's, thy God's, and truth's..."
www.calnurses.org

[Sherwood]

Originally Posted by RN4MERCY

The bios and "credentials" of the CNA Board of Directors have been featured in California Nurse. (We've got nothing to hide!) Some went to hospital schools, some have done graduate work and/or have graduate degrees and some were educated at community colleges. We have the same license and we each have employment contracts that protects us from "insubordination" for speaking out against unsafe assignments. You are obviously anti-union and you've chosen to throw stones and cast aspersions on the content of our character instead of engaging in meaningful debate. We have a vision for healthcare, a "12 Step" RN-led Proposal for reform; a long term solution to the corporate healthcare crisis. Simply put, our goal is equal access and a single standard of quality care for all people. Nurses in other states are joining with us in the NNOC, realizing that the promise of managed care has failed to control cost and increase access. Our vision and our voice has been published in The Washington Post, The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Sacramento Bee to name a few. Nurses are calling us and visiting from Australia, Canada, Japan, The Netherlands, England, as well as Arizona, Michigan, Ohio, Maine...to name a few; Many of us have been invited guests on public radio and public access television, have given public testimony to regulatory agencies and legislative healthcare committees. Our socially progressive ideals and ideas will survive and thrive; for every 10 of us you target, another 100 will rise up and continue to build a national movement. From Shakespeare's 'The Tempest', I quote: "A peace above all earthly dignities, A still and quiet conscience...Corruption wins not more than honesty. Still in thy right hand carry gentle peace, To silence envious tongues: be just and fear not. Let all the ends thou aim'st at be thy country's, thy God's, and truth's..."
www.calnurses.org

Thank you for the links you provided. Can you tell me what level of education Rose Ann Demorow has, where she went to "university" and when? What was her major and what degree or degrees she currently holds. I have been unsuccessfull in my searches and you seem to know the answers.
I think if she wants to lead, we should be able to know these things.
Instead of cryptic quotes and links to vague and generalized statements on various websites can you just answer the question? If you do not know the answer that's ok. Just say so.
Thank you,

Sherwood

[Sherwood]

Originally Posted by RN4MERCY

The bios and "credentials" of the CNA Board of Directors have been featured in California Nurse. (We've got nothing to hide!) Some went to hospital schools, some have done graduate work and/or have graduate degrees and some were educated at community colleges. We have the same license and we each have employment contracts that protects us from "insubordination" for speaking out against unsafe assignments. You are obviously anti-union and you've chosen to throw stones and cast aspersions on the content of our character instead of engaging in meaningful debate. We have a vision for healthcare, a "12 Step" RN-led Proposal for reform; a long term solution to the corporate healthcare crisis. Simply put, our goal is equal access and a single standard of quality care for all people. Nurses in other states are joining with us in the NNOC, realizing that the promise of managed care has failed to control cost and increase access. Our vision and our voice has been published in The Washington Post, The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Sacramento Bee to name a few. Nurses are calling us and visiting from Australia, Canada, Japan, The Netherlands, England, as well as Arizona, Michigan, Ohio, Maine...to name a few; Many of us have been invited guests on public radio and public access television, have given public testimony to regulatory agencies and legislative healthcare committees. Our socially progressive ideals and ideas will survive and thrive; for every 10 of us you target, another 100 will rise up and continue to build a national movement. From Shakespeare's 'The Tempest', I quote: "A peace above all earthly dignities, A still and quiet conscience...Corruption wins not more than honesty. Still in thy right hand carry gentle peace, To silence envious tongues: be just and fear not. Let all the ends thou aim'st at be thy country's, thy God's, and truth's..."
www.calnurses.org

I guess you don't have the answers to the questions I asked in my previous post or the answers are not something you or Rose Anne would want the people she wants to represent to know about.

[EDValerieRN]

Originally Posted by Sherwood

I guess you don't have the answers to the questions I asked in my previous post or the answers are not something you or Rose Anne would want the people she wants to represent to know about.

She began organizing unions after leaving a graduate program at UC Santa Barbara in Women's Studies. Does it really matter that much? She has a degree. I don't even feel strongly either way, you just really seemed to want to know. I'm sure if you call the CNA, they'll give you more information about her. Not trying to be snotty, just trying to help. There is a ton of information on her if you google her. I haven't sorted through it all to find the exact specifics of her education level.

IMHO, I don't care if someone has a degree or worked at McDonalds for 15 years. If they're getting the job done, good.

[Nancy2]

Originally Posted by EDValerieRN

She began organizing unions after leaving a graduate program at UC Santa Barbara in Women's Studies. Does it really matter that much? She has a degree. I don't even feel strongly either way, you just really seemed to want to know. I'm sure if you call the CNA, they'll give you more information about her. Not trying to be snotty, just trying to help. There is a ton of information on her if you google her. I haven't sorted through it all to find the exact specifics of her education level.

IMHO, I don't care if someone has a degree or worked at McDonalds for 15 years. If they're getting the job done, good.

I have googled her, and am unable to find what kind of education she has had. "leaving a graduate program" doesn't answer the question either. CNA will not give this info to me on the phone, I have tried that too. This all makes me beleive they are hiding something. I even tried to pay for this info from a people search, and she has paid to have this blocked. Why would she do that if she isn't hiding something.

[boztc]

Try this link:
http://www.more.com/more/story.jsp?s...ref=cat5490036

[lindarn]

Originally Posted by Sherwood

I guess you don't have the answers to the questions I asked in my previous post or the answers are not something you or Rose Anne would want the people she wants to represent to know about.

And Sherwood, what exactlly are your credentials? And what exactly have you done to improve the nursing profession, and patient care? As far as I can see, you spend so much time denigrating unions and trying to prevent anyone from unionizing, that you have no time to do anything to improve the miserable state of affairs that the nursing profession has become. There must be a better use of your time than that.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington

[Sherwood]

Originally Posted by lindarn

And Sherwood, what exactlly are your credentials? And what exactly have you done to improve the nursing profession, and patient care? As far as I can see, you spend so much time denigrating unions and trying to prevent anyone from unionizing, that you have no time to do anything to improve the miserable state of affairs that the nursing profession has become. There must be a better use of your time than that.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington

I have answered that question before, you must have missed it.

I advocate for nurses, I am on several committees that work to improve patient care and I advocate for our nursing staff.
I teach several classes a year, at my hospital as well a few others. I hold my CCRN as you do. I am an ATCN provider and an ATCN instructor. I precept and orient both new grads and experienced nurses.
I have written to and met face to face with members of city councils, Mayors, State representatives, Governors and members of Congress. We have discussed healthcare, The nursing shortage, nurse staffing ratio's as well as several other passions of mine unrelated to nursing.

I am a Husband of 23 years, I am a Father. My oldest daughter is attending her first year at a University as...........guess what? A nursing major!

All this and I work full time as an ICU/CCU RN and Trauma Clinician at a level II Trauma Center in the middle of the OC in sunny Southern California.

And I don't hide behind fake names, avatars or nicknames.

Sherwood Cox, R.N., CCRN

[RN1989]

Reading these posts reminds me why nursing has never made large strides towards in ensuring quality patient care, safe staffing, and decent wages - we argue amongst ourselves until the real issue gets lost.

I was able to attend the first Nurses March on Washington. I've been to the state capitol for rallies. I've spoken with politicians. I've spoken with the public. Yet no one seems to know the real issues because all they see is a bunch of women (mostly, sorry for you guys out there that are still a minority in nursing) bickering about what is going on, but not making cohesive arguments and demonstrating that there are true issues in healthcare. So many love to complain but few want to come up with ideas for problem solving.

I've never belonged to a union. I have friends that are union and say that they wouldn't have it any other way. I've had friends say they would never be union again. I've been warned by a manager that anyone being seen entering a meeting hall to talk about unions would be fired on the grounds that it was not compatible with the philosophy of a Catholic hospital. There are good and bad about unions. What I do see is that unions can unite nurses in ways that no one else can. Most recently the three nurses in Mesquite showed solidarity that is so rarely seen in the South. Just prior to those nurses being fired, the hospital called a special directors meeting to discuss strategies on keeping unions out of their hospital without breaking the law because they were afraid of what would happen if those nurses succeeded in their quest for patient safety. Would those nurses have had the courage to do it without the support of the NNOC? I don't know. But is it a bad thing that they broke the silence, even with the support of the NNOC? I've seen a lot of bashing of those nurses because they left the unit understaffed and that is dangerous to patients. Yet no one had a good answer about how to work with that joke of a policy called Safe Harbor and still provide safe care for too many patients. There aren't any hard and fast answers. If a union gets some nurses to unite and make some positive changes - why don't we all let them do that? Until we are in an individuals situation, it is really hard to truly know what you would do. When are we going to stop fighting about who is better-BSN/ADN/Diploma? When are we going to stop fighting about whether it is better to be union or not? When are we going to stop fighting about money? Money does not make a pleasant working environment and safe patient care environment. Perhaps if we acted, on a whole, as if we were real professionals, our wages might reflect it at some point. Perhaps if we would quit eating our young, we might actually have quality care, fantastic working environments, better wages, and actually be happy. Don't get me wrong, I'm sick of being a nurse and right now I am definitely not pro-nursing. I'm tired of being told that I have been a nurse too long and they can get someone cheaper who will not complain so much. I'm tired of being told I am not meeting the standard for good time management because I have 10 minutes of overtime because I actually educated a patient on his disease instead of just shoving pills at him and telling him to call if he needs anything. I've gone from staff to management and overall - it all sucks no matter what role you are in. I am tired of nurses who aren't willing to fight for quality anymore - they are burned out and treat others badly and do the bare minimum to get by but stay in nursing for the money. People, we are on the wrong road. We will never make any headway until we stand together, each and every one of us. We have to stop the violence against each other. I am truly wondering if that is even possible?

[boztc]

Right on Sister! (Am I dating myself?) I agree.
Union or not, I've been waiting 30 years for the profession to wake up and realize that there is power in numbers. Our "Professional Organizations" are obviously not capable/willing to advocate for us and our patients. We need to stand up for ourselves.
My daughter expressed an interest in Nursing. I talked her out of it.