[Organize1199]

Chico says: "Oh, I almost forgot: On the clarification you asked for, I meant the sudden massive SEIU presence on this site. All joined this month just for the purpose of attacking CNA."

Your organizers used allnurses as part of your VOTE NO campaign. On March 9, an anti-union CNA organizer (who personally passed out anti-union pamphlets at a Springfield, Ohio CHP hospital) posted "Attention CHP Ohio RN's" on the Ohio regional section of this site, here:

http://allnurses.com/forums/f167/att...-s-287639.html

The article employs the divisive language of separating RNs from other employees ("CHP RNs deserve to be part of a professional RN union, not a Service Employees union." - your emphasis, not mine). The post says "VOTE NO" at least five times. It is followed by numerous "replies" by other CNA spokespersons.

The article is foaming at the mouth with hatred and jam-packed with lie after lie after lie.

That was March 9th. SEIU supporters begin responding on March 12. It's time to bust out those critical thinking skills you've been touting...

With respect to your belittling and demeaning the three-year effort of the women and men who have driven this campaign - the hundred and fifty CHP workers who marched on the boss at his Cincinatti headquarters, in April 2005; the (many) hundreds who have participated in town hall meetings, ballot initiatives and so forth - you ought to be ashamed.

Chico also says:

...none of what they said or handed out was "anti-union". It was anti-YOUR union.

During an organizing drive, management frequently argues that it isn't all unions, but THIS union. They fill literature with lies about the union, and gerenally seek to divide workers, break solidarity and destroy hope. That's what you did. It's called union-busting, and nothing could be more anti-union.

[Chico David RN]

[quote=Organize1199;2738309]Chico says: "Oh, I almost forgot: On the clarification you asked for, I meant the sudden massive SEIU presence on this site. All joined this month just for the purpose of attacking CNA."

Your organizers used allnurses as part of your VOTE NO campaign. On March 9, an anti-union CNA organizer (who personally passed out anti-union pamphlets at a Springfield, Ohio CHP hospital) posted "Attention CHP Ohio RN's" on the Ohio regional section of this site, here:

http://allnurses.com/forums/f167/attention-chp-ohio-rn-s-287639.html

The article employs the divisive language of separating RNs from other employees ("CHP RNs deserve to be part of a professional RN union, not a Service Employees union." - your emphasis, not mine). The post says "VOTE NO" at least five times. It is followed by numerous "replies" by other CNA spokespersons.

The article is foaming at the mouth with hatred and jam-packed with lie after lie after lie.

That was March 9th. SEIU supporters begin responding on March 12. It's time to bust out those critical thinking skills you've been touting...

With respect to your belittling and demeaning the three-year effort of the women and men who have driven this campaign - the hundred and fifty CHP workers who marched on the boss at his Cincinatti headquarters, in April 2005; the (many) hundreds who have participated in town hall meetings, ballot initiatives and so forth - you ought to be ashamed.




Chico also says:

...none of what they said or handed out was "anti-union". It was anti-YOUR union.

During an organizing drive, management frequently argues that it isn't all unions, but THIS union. They fill literature with lies about the union, and gerenally seek to divide workers, break solidarity and destroy hope. That's what you did. It's called union-busting, and nothing could be more anti-union.[/quote

I think we again have to just come back to the basic question: if you had all that much support, why cancel the election? The twin claims of huge support, yet a process so fragile that a few nurses and staff talking to people and handing out flyers for a few days could allegedly make it impossible to go forward, are just not compatible with each other.

And talk about the pot calling the kettle black, I just got to see a really slimy hit piece that SEIU mailed out to nurses in Texas to try to block an election we are running there today. An election in a virtually non union state, with no unionized RNs in a very difficult environment. SEIU is doing their best to break up our election there, but unlike you in Ohio, we are going ahead. We may not win - it's a tough state with little union tradition, but we're going ahead and letting the process play out and will live with the result and if we lose, come back to try again another day. Which is how real organizing works.

[Organize1199]

We sent nothing to anyone in Texas. Period. Try another lie, CNA.

And another, another and another. CNA's incessant chirping about how we are bad people for canceling an election Rose Ann DeMoro INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED. It's just insane.

The CNA leadership say what they really feel, it's on their website and the link says DOWNLOAD THE VICTORY FLYER (PDF). The flyer says in a huge font, CONGRATULATIONS! 8,000 CHP Hospital Workers Reject
Hand-Picked Union.

Take out the obvious lie and see what you are left with.

"CONGRATULATIONS! 8,000 CHP Hospital Workers Reject Union"

They're an anti-union union. It really is insane.

[Chico David RN]

From OrganizeSEIU
"We sent nothing to anyone in Texas. Period. Try another lie, CNA."

I've seen it - glossy mailer with nurses pictures and some murky references to some event in St. Louis in 2001. Possibly your masters are misleading you. Seems unlikely that you know all that goes on in a union that big.

And it's obvious your anger is getting really out of control. I'm a cardiac rehab nurse and I know how hard that can be on your heart. Take some deep breaths, take a little walk, get another job. You'll feel lots better.

[Organize1199]

Chico says

And it's obvious your anger is getting really out of control. I'm a cardiac rehab nurse and I know how hard that can be on your heart. Take some deep breaths, take a little walk, get another job. You'll feel lots better.

Yes I am outraged. Stent me, but I'm not giving up on organizing workers just because some California craft union run by an unelected, union-busting nut doesn't think Ohio workers should organize with 1199.

Your mystery mailer "with nurses pictures and some murky references to some event in St. Louis in 2001" - c'mon let's see it! Post that puppy, Chico. You might not know this - but most unions fight something called MANAGEMENT, not other unions. On the day of an election ... a glossy mailer ... LOL

[Chico David RN]

You know pal, since you've given up on any sort of rational argument and just devolved to name calling, it's all being a lot less fun. I guess that's sort of the last refuge of those who have nothing left to say. That's kind of how I remember it from the bullies in junior high. so let me know when you have something new or interesting to offer. Otherwise I think I'll just stay off this thread for a while.

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[Organize1199]

Alright Chico David,

Fair enough. Let's chill for awhile. I'll own my participation, and in particular you have my apology for calling Rose Ann DeMoro a "nut" in this venue, which certainly should be a more positive place.

But what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'd ask you to own up to the CNA's part. It's just not fair to say that I have "devolved" the conversation. It started so low down in the gutter, there was nowhere lower to go. Let's take a moment, without getting riled up again, just to debrief the conflict & try to develop a more positive way forward.

Our conversation began with a March 9th post from the CNA, here:

http://allnurses.com/forums/f167/att...ml#post2706146

The post was actually a part of CNA's Vote No campaign. It was an article which called us a corrupt, "company union", "scheming" with the boss to "Silence RNs" and "Force RNs" to join our union. It was directed to Ohio nurses who were set to vote three days later. The poster physically participated in the CNA union-busting operation the same day she posted it, in Springfield Ohio.

Let's just recognize that this space cannot be positive if the CNA uses it to help run a VOTE NO. It is also very negative when CNA organizers use this site to promote division and disunity. I'm talking in particular about CNA organizers posting things like "SEIU Agrees to Gag Nursing Home Workers". It's dishonest and is posted for one reason only, to divide us from each other. It only serves the boss.

I want to ask you, Chico David, as a CNA leader. In the interests of keeping this space positive and constructive, can you agree to some ground rules?

* Don't use this venue as part of a union busting or raiding campaign
* Don't use this venue to trash SEIU (or UAN, ANA, or other unions)
* Don't use this venue to insult, demean or belittle SEIU members
* Check facts before posting anything that has anything to do with SEIU.

In particular, if CNA would give SEIU a chance to respond offline before making public, inflammatory statements - that would go a long way.

Peace.

[Chico David RN]

From Organize1199:
I want to ask you, Chico David, as a CNA leader. In the interests of keeping this space positive and constructive, can you agree to some ground rules?

* Don't use this venue as part of a union busting or raiding campaign
* Don't use this venue to trash SEIU (or UAN, ANA, or other unions)
* Don't use this venue to insult, demean or belittle SEIU members
* Check facts before posting anything that has anything to do with SEIU.

In particular, if CNA would give SEIU a chance to respond offline before making public, inflammatory statements - that would go a long way.

But that would, naturally require reciprocation on your part, with CNA/NNOC substituted for SEIU etc in all of the above points. Then, of course, we run into issues of definition - When many members of another union contact us for help in getting out, is that a "raid" - or a rescue? Is "trashing" synonymous with "critique"? If I quote a union leader's own words - as pubished in a nationally known newspaper or their own writings - to illustrate their beliefs, is that illegitimate? Am I allowed to quote their internal critics, or only their supporters? What's considered a sufficient fact check, when there may be no truly unbiased sources?
such devilish details.

No, I don't think I'll agree to your rules. I'll abide by the rules of the site as best I am able, you do the same, and we'll let the managers of the site be the judge whether either of us transgresses them. It is, after all their site and their rules, not either of ours.

[SEIU PSYCH RN]

Originally Posted by Organize1199

Chico says: "Oh, I almost forgot: On the clarification you asked for, I meant the sudden massive SEIU presence on this site. All joined this month just for the purpose of attacking CNA."

Your organizers used allnurses as part of your VOTE NO campaign. On March 9, an anti-union CNA organizer (who personally passed out anti-union pamphlets at a Springfield, Ohio CHP hospital) posted "Attention CHP Ohio RN's" on the Ohio regional section of this site, here:

http://allnurses.com/forums/f167/att...-s-287639.html

The article employs the divisive language of separating RNs from other employees ("CHP RNs deserve to be part of a professional RN union, not a Service Employees union." - your emphasis, not mine). The post says "VOTE NO" at least five times. It is followed by numerous "replies" by other CNA spokespersons.

The article is foaming at the mouth with hatred and jam-packed with lie after lie after lie.

That was March 9th. SEIU supporters begin responding on March 12. It's time to bust out those critical thinking skills you've been touting...

With respect to your belittling and demeaning the three-year effort of the women and men who have driven this campaign - the hundred and fifty CHP workers who marched on the boss at his Cincinatti headquarters, in April 2005; the (many) hundreds who have participated in town hall meetings, ballot initiatives and so forth - you ought to be ashamed.

Chico also says:

...none of what they said or handed out was "anti-union". It was anti-YOUR union.

During an organizing drive, management frequently argues that it isn't all unions, but THIS union. They fill literature with lies about the union, and gerenally seek to divide workers, break solidarity and destroy hope. That's what you did. It's called union-busting, and nothing could be more anti-union.

SO help me understand anti-your union is not anti-union