[Organize1199]

"RN Power",

It is childishly dishonest to pass off that letter to the editor as a "an article from Ohio nurse". It's by a friend of yours, a CNA activist. Just a few weeks ago the two of you testified together at the Statehouse in Columbus, opposing a nurse staffing bill.

Like you, the author is not working at a hospital. She is a failed politician, having recently come in 4th in a field of 5, for city council in a small town.

But you two aren't the real problem. The problem is that 60,000 union members' dues are going to bust the union in Ohio. I pray they will make their voices heard.

IN SOLIDARITY

[Chico David RN]

I'm afraid I just have to keep asking the same questions again and again here, since no one seems to be able to answer them on any of the threads related to this subject:
1. If there was so much work done on this campaign and so much support for organizing, why was it so easy for a handful of people to stop it in 4 or 5 days with a few flyers?

2. What was it exactly about the presence of a few CNA/NNOC volunteers and staff that made it impossible to hold an election?

SEIU has come in to attack and try to block CNA/NNOC elections in a number of places with little success, since the actual support has been built to win.

I would also take exception to the repeated use of the term "union busting".
I've seen that literature - it repeatedly makes the case that SEIU is the wrong union and that there is a better union. It never uses anti-union rhetoric or management talking points. Which SEIU has done in more than one case when trying to block a CNA/NNOC election. For example, one of the most common anti-union talking points is to try to scare nurses about strikes, which is what SEIU did in our successful campaign in Reno.

[micurn55]

The piece of literature in question asks nurses to "Vote No" repeatedly. Don't understand how that could fail to be interpreted as anti-union.

Chico David, How does the old saying go, "thou doth protest too much?"

[Miss Mab]

So, thank you for trying to answer my question. It still appears murky, though.

When's the new vote? Seems a simple ballot.

SEIU--yes/no.

No?

[Chico David RN]

[quote=micurn55;2731409]The piece of literature in question asks nurses to "Vote No" repeatedly. Don't understand how that could fail to be interpreted as anti-union."

I think nurses can handle a certain amount of nuance. And there's a big difference between the message:
"vote no because unions are bad"
and the message:
"vote no because there are much better unions and you shouldn't allow yourself to be rushed into a bad one."

[SEIU PSYCH RN]

Originally Posted by RN Power Ohio

What's not to get...With a rushed back door election these are the kinds of things SEIU will do! No wonder the Ohio Hospital Association (which spends millions on union avoidance) praises the deal between SEIU and CHP

http://www.sfweekly.com/2004-06-30/n...ers-in-slime/3

I am proud to be part of an organization that actually fights for patient rights and NOT corporate rights. NNOC is not selling it's soul but rather spread the soul and spirit of true health care reform and patient safey.

A rushed back door election that had been in the works for over three years i dont think so. And multiple events that dozens if not hundreds of CHP nurses had attended. If they were unaware they were simply not paying attention or did not care

[SEIU PSYCH RN]

Originally Posted by RN Power Ohio

What's not to get...With a rushed back door election these are the kinds of things SEIU will do! No wonder the Ohio Hospital Association (which spends millions on union avoidance) praises the deal between SEIU and CHP

http://www.sfweekly.com/2004-06-30/n...ers-in-slime/3

I am proud to be part of an organization that actually fights for patient rights and NOT corporate rights. NNOC is not selling it's soul but rather spread the soul and spirit of true health care reform and patient safey.

Show me a single contract that NNOC has negotiated staffing ratios in. I do not believe there is one. However SEIU has these contracts in place. And as for the California staffing ratios SEIU was just as responsible as CNA. CNA did not have the unity and political power to accomplish this SEIU did. And SEiu has had introduced Federal satffing ratios introduce fot the past several years, While we have not been successful in this administration we come closer with more cosponsers every year.

[RN Power Ohio]

Please read this post from another thread:


http://http://www.calnurses.org/asse...os_booklet.pdf

CHECK IT OUT This is a 20 page booklet on mandate RN-to-patient ratios authored by CNA/NNOC :"The Ratio Solution-CNA/NNOC's RN-to-Patient ratios work-Better care , more Nurses"

There is a reason this book was written--RNs all over the country want madated ratios like California, which has proven to improve care and bring RNs back to work in hospitals with improved staffing.

CNA RNs authored and defended AB 394...it took 13 years. We paved the way for other states and now there are Patient Protections Acts that are modeled on California in Ohio, Illinois, Texas, Arizona, and Maine.

Sadly it is fact that SEIU did try and derail this bill at the eleventh hour. Fortunately they were unsuccessful, but are now doing the same dance in many of the states where CNA/NNOC is currently working to win support for mandated ratios, not:
--voluntary ratios with no public disclosure,
--no rights for RN as patient advocate,
--LVN/LPN interchangeability
--staffing based soley on patient classification sysyems without ratios as a minimujm standard.
[b]
AND AS FOR RATIOS IN CONTRACT[/BMost of CNA/NNOC's 150 California contracts have won binding arbitration as a mechanism to resolve staffing disputes as well as having the actual ratios in the contract to give them extra protection from any uncertainty in the legislative arena in the future (as we witnessed with our Governor who tried unsuccessfully to weaken them a couple of years ago).

In addition, I sure didn't see SEIU holding public protests angainst Arnold when the ratio bill was in danger. If you read the "statement of reasons" for the ratio law you will see the ratio numbers SEIU proposed-read it and see who was on nursings side.

I have read SEIU's federal bill and it is weak. Again, friendly to hospitals.

[RN Power Ohio]

The above link to the ratio booklet does not work. Here is the link. For whatever reason i am unable to edit.

http://www.calnurses.org/assets/pdf/...os_booklet.pdf

[Organize1199]

"RN Power",

Wake up and smell the coffee, sister. The CNA is little more than a scab organization that grows off the backs of SEIU members, and by raiding other nursing unions.

CNA's so-called leadership waits for our members' long-term investment in visionary organizing drives to come to a breakthrough. Then DeMoro &co try to jump in and get on the ballot with some last-second maneuvering, like a pack of hyenas.

There are a few variations on the theme, but, to my knowledge, the only other ways the CNA knows how to get members is by attacking other unions.

It is an unsustainable model that is dragging down organizing efforts in the health care industry across the labor movement. Workers have been denied the union all over the country by CNA union busting and failed raids. For example, in St. Louis, MO, Chicago, IL and, most recently, workers at nine Ohio hospitals.

Members of other unions cannot afford to foot the bill for expensive, long-term organizing drives only to have the CNA try to raid or run an anti-union campaign at the end of the day. Nor can the labor movement forever stand by and watch the CNA's frequent attempts to break the back of nursing unions (Hawaii, Massachusetts, etc.).

In Ohio, the CNA couldn't figure out how to raid, so it just sought to destroy what our members and CHP activists had won through a three year commitment. That's what they had you doing in Springfield, M., and I hope you can see through it.

Your leadership's lefter-than-thou posturing apparently has you under a spell (or perhaps they've put you on staff). But, to quote from Jesuit priest Thomas Reese, you have to consider the actual impact of the CNA's behavior in the world.

Does it lead people to true devotion and love? Does it unite people or is it divisive? Or as Jesus said, “By their fruits you will know them.” Those that foster hate and division are not of God.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/o...ll_know_1.html

An organization that arms legal aides like yourself with falsehoods, and sends you to ruin a three-year effort by thousands of Ohio hospital workers - do you think that unites people, or is it divisive?

IN SOLIDARITY