[ingelein]

[ZASHAGALKA]

Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006

There's just soooooo much to 'overlook' with Obama.

Not to worry. He's has a real penchant to blame everything on his staff. His buck stops with everybody around him.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...-inabilit.html

"So, for those keeping track at home, that's ten instances of Obama publicly blaming his staff for various screw-ups. (You of course could also add Austan Goolsbee, Samantha Power, Gordon Fischer, and retired Gen. Tony McPeak.) That would be 14. We will continue to keep track.

And for the record, yet again, let me state that I find Sen. Obama's staff unfailingly competent and polite, courteous and efficient, and I once again express my regret that Sen. Obama does apparently not feel the same way."

~faith,
Timothy.

[ZASHAGALKA]

Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006

Democrats, if they pick Obama, will lose the white house. Knowingly.

More importantly, they are knowingly giving McCain a huge advantage simply for the sake of political correctness, because they can't bring themselves to tell the black man - NO! - not because he's black, but because he can't win. If race really didn't matter when it comes to Obama, the superdelegates would be looking at this VERY CLOSE race and trying to decide WHO CAN WIN.

Hillary can win.

But, they can't do that. "What about race?", they are continually asked. Can they tell black voters, no? Indeed. But that's not calculating who can win - their primary reason for being created. No. That's calculating how big a spine they have. Answer: none. As a result, they are going to give McCain the next 2 Supreme Cabal picks. The high possibility is that Democrats are trading racial identity politics for Roe. That's not how you stick up for your core beliefs.

Read this amazing article from a liberal website about just how many hoops Obama will have to clear to get to 270 in the EC come November. It is telling:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...270/index.html

"The bottom line is that 270 is achievable, provided the Democratic ticket keeps all of these 17 states in play as long as possible."

THIS is the best a liberal talking head can do? He can win, if they run the table on 17 close States? Amazing he's still even being discussed as a candidate! Absolutely amazing. Keep in mind, Republicans tend to do 15 points better in October polling than they do before the convention. Before HIS Convention, Bush 41 was down 17 points to Dukakis in national polling.

The only reason Obama is even ahead for the nomination is that Democrats have messed with their process 'to be fair' to the little guy instead of trying to pick the best nominee. If they were playing by the Republican rules, Clinton would have wrapped up HER nomination about the same time as McCain.

Call me Ferraro, but the ONLY reason Obama is still in this race is race. But. It will by far NOT be the only reason he loses in November.

~faith,
Timothy.

[towntalker]

the republicans are going to have a problem with the war and with the econmoy but it is not a lost cause
obama can say all thing about bush and mccain but if they say anything even if they don't use his name he screams like a banshee
at some point i hope that the american people realize that he is lying when he says that voting for mccain is like voting for a third term for bush
he promises the moon, says that the middle class will not have to pay for universal health care, is the money going to drop from the moon??
look at the countries where they have government subsidized care
the gasoline is $10 a gallon, income tax rates start at 50% nurses and other health care workeers are c/o of high ratio rates and poor pay
at least they have the option of emigrating to USA where are we going to go??
he is trying to bribe us with our own money

[herring_RN]

I think we need a President who knows Sunni from Shiite.
That As Quida is Sunni and Iran is not.

We need a President who will exhaust ALL options before starting a war. This needs to include diplomacy.

We need a President who is not a "borrow and spend" radical.

We need a President who is realistic regarding healthcare for Americans.

We need a President who would not just support the Iraq and Afghanistan GI Bill of rights but who as a Senator voted for it.
(Just my opinion)

[barefootlady]

The state election is still a hot topic here. People have emailed the two delegates who support Obama no matter what, and let them know we are not pleased. There may be many who will support Obama, but just as many, like myself who will not vote for him unless Hillary is on his ticket. That certainly leaves me in a mess, since I am afraid McCain will keep the country in a war forever. I feel so sad that this lady is being robbed.

[bluesky]

Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have acknowledged that one of the reasons their contest became so acrid was because in terms of substantial values and policy positions, they are fundamentally alike.

If someone abandons one of the leftist candidates in favor of the far more politically distant McCain in a general election situation, then it becomes abundantly clear that such an abandonment is not based on substantial policy issues.

I frankly don't even know who John McCain is anymore. In his lame attempt to secure the support of the religious Right (whom he never pandered to before), he has shamelessly repackaged himself on a number of issues. His Summer gas tax break, with its minimal benefit to the consumer_ and no corporate accountability is simply one of the greatest insults to the intelligence of the American citizen I have ever seen. If you want to go down as supporting a man who will continue our generation's greatest shame (Iraq War), not to mention stack the Supreme Court with right wing ideologues and continue the hawkish policies which have put our economy on the brink... well then GO AHEAD!
Because you don't like that Obama was associated with some folks who aren't afraid to be mad about our country's policies and tell it like it is! A man who opposed this crap war when no one else did... a man who consistently shows his verve, intelligence and political acumen by winning a political contest that he was never seriously considered for previously. I don't need my candidate to spend 10 years rotting in the stench of Capitol Hill to prove to me he will be a great leader_ I need an honest and intelligent man who understands that the days of unilateral bullyism are OVER and who will successfully negotiate our new, more complexe and more limited place in the world. And that man is BARACK OBAMA.

[ZASHAGALKA]

Originally Posted by bluesky

And that man is BARACK OBAMA.

All well and good until you look at the raw numbers and see that he is losing Hispanic voters, 2:1. He is losing older voters that DO identify more with McCain and AREN'T easily swayed by campaign rhetoric. He will lose some feminist voters that don't see McCain as such an extreme alternative. The military is NOT going to vote for Obama. They have institutional experience with Carter-esque leadership. There goes VA and NC.

LOOK at WV. LOOK at KY tomorrow. Look at OHIO and Penn. He is LOSING Appalachia, and not by small margins.

He has ALREADY written off Florida, where his loses to McCain by 20 points.

Look. Obama scares me in office more than Clinton, not because they have different policy viewpoints, but because Clinton would be more pragmatic - just as her husband was. She's been around enough to know when to cut a deal - and how. For all his 'uniter' talk, Obama has never left the safety of the left side of the pool. NEVER. He's too idealistic and too rookie to know the difference.

But, even if Obama scares me more IF HE WINS, Hillary Clinton has a far better chance to do so. Penn and Ohio are in play if she were the nominee. So is Florida. NJ stays solid left, as does California. Her math to the nomination might be 'impossible', but her EC math is doable. The exact reverses is true of Obama. His EC math isn't good.

IF he thinks he's going to ride President Bush to the White House, then his 'october surprise' is going to be of his own making.

I'm glad you guys think that 70k people turning out to see him in Oregon makes him the Messiah. This election isn't going to be won and lost in Oregon. It's going to be won and lost in an area of the nation that voted against Obama 67%-28%.

Bring him on. I'm not committed that McCain will nominate the right judges to overturn Roe because those same judges would likely throw out McCain's Free Speech Suppression law and he'd likely try to parse that difference. However. He will almost certainly do a better job of it than anybody on the left.

I'll take my chances with McCain. He isn't the 'Republican brand'. He isn't President Bush. And all the 'guilt by association' rhetoric can't morph him into President Bush just as it can't morph Obama into Rev. Wright. Even if you want it and say it enough times. Wright?

~faith,
Timothy.

[HeyJude]

Originally Posted by ZASHAGALKA

All well and good until you look at the raw numbers and see that he is losing Hispanic voters, 2:1. He is losing older voters that DO identify more with McCain and AREN'T easily swayed by campaign rhetoric. He will lose some feminist voters that don't see McCain as such an extreme alternative. The military is NOT going to vote for Obama. They have institutional experience with Carter-esque leadership. There goes VA and NC.

LOOK at WV. LOOK at KY tomorrow. Look at OHIO and Penn.

You and I both know that the American people will decide who wins in November, and I find it awfully presumptous of you to say that ANYONE will or won't make it.

I'm glad you guys think that 70k people turning out to see him in Oregon makes him the Messiah.

Whoa, buddy. Did anyone say he was the Messiah? You are putting words in the mouths of an awful lot of people. Some of us just happen to think that 70000 people is a good number.

And all the 'guilt by association' rhetoric can't morph him into President Bush just as it can't morph Obama into Rev. Wright.

As I recall, you were the biggest duck in the pond trying to make Obama guilty by association with Rev. Wright. Why the big change when it comes to McCain?

[BlueRidgeHomeRN]

Boys and Girls:

I like this thread too much to risk its' existance. Let's play nice and keep the sarcasm to a minimum. please. Back to our regularly scheduled program!! Thanx, ya'll.....