[Moonepie]

Originally Posted by begalli

VAMP

It's the second device at that link.

It's great for our critical patients who require hourly sugars because it's a completely closed system and you are able to return the waste every time taking only the drop you need. We attach it to our art lines, but many also use them on cvc's.

Bengali

I'm so glad you posted this about the VAMP. I sent an email with the link you posted to our NM and she took a look at it and forwarded the email to our intensivist who is VERY interested in this device. He sent all the information down to purchasing and I think we have a very good chance at being able to get this new device for our unit. I'm glad I came across this post. Thanks!

[begalli]

Oh man! I should get a commission for that!!

[apaisRN]

I hate it. I hate sticking fingers q1 with our brutal devices (I KNOW there are gently ones available) and I hate that chronic ICU patients get stuck on the drip after weeks and weeks. I do believe that mortality is improved - for CRITICALLY ILL patients. Not failure-to-wean in the MICU. If I could draw blood without sticks I wouldn't mind at all, although it is a lot of work.

[stn2003]

on the floor (cardiac) yesterday who probably would have been in the ICU still except she was moved to our unit bc the hospital was at bed alert red.

she presented to the ER not feeling well and her blood sugar was 1400!! by the time she came to our floor it was still too high for out glucometers to read it (above 550) and she was on an insulin drip and ordered accuchecks q 1 hr until her bs dropped below 250, at which point we were to call the doc and check the blood sugars thereafter q 6. Poor lady, her fingers looked terrible when i left at the end of the day, and her sugar only ever came down in the 300s while I was there so I'm sure she got poked a bunch more every hour.

so this particular docs protocal was to check every hour until the sugar was below 250, which is obviously still high. I understand the correlation between blood sugar levels and morbidity/mortality but I am surpised that checks would be ordered on a patient until sugars read 110. That is pretty strict-not saying it is a bad thing.

[KLARN]

In the ICU I work in we just started the q1h accuchecks so we are working out the kinks, however the patient is not required to have a line of any sort to draw from and YES it is cruel. We have a diabetic patient(not in all cases but most in our ICU)who has potential for poor peripheral vascular circulation and we poke their fingers every hour. We have a new Endocrinologist who does seem to have a grasp on getting these blood sugars under control, but his orders are new and he keeps revising them. The staff are already trying to deal with this change and then the orders change. This is leading to multiple errors as well as blood sugars of 400-40 in a matter of an hour. Hopefully we will get a grasp on this because the studies do indicate its benefits bu tcertain protocols must be initiated as well(arterial lines a must).

[KimberRN1]

Originally Posted by VAC

Is anyone else dealing with q 1 hour accu-checks and running Insulin drips for every patient with a glucose over 110?
This has been happening in my ICU for almost a year. The research supports very tight control of glucose in critically ill patients, but this protocol seems excessive to me. The patient's have necrotic looking fingertips after a few days of this. Is this the new trend everywhere?

Yep....we're getting it too.... I work at a teaching hospital and have to deal with residents on med teams....based on that new research of critical patients...they really got into putting patients on insulin gtts...and protocol is q 1hr accu checks...other patients is 7, 11, 4, & 9 if they're eating... and 6,12,6,12 for TPN and tube feeds.......In some cases I can see the need for an insulin gtt....but it seems to yo yo a lot of patients...some even bottom out... so it makes me wonder how good can it be?....I glucose of 210 one hour...then < 60 the next.....

[spitfire]

We also use a insulin drip protocol, if the pt has a cell saver -vamp- I'll use that. if not I often use the ear lobe for a drop of blood - almost all say it is less painful.

[bluesky]

Originally Posted by spitfire

We also use a insulin drip protocol, if the pt has a cell saver -vamp- I'll use that. if not I often use the ear lobe for a drop of blood - almost all say it is less painful.

Learn something new everyday! I'll have to try this. Thanks.

Our hospital starts the gtt for bg>200 and sticks q 2hrs. Guess that's kind of slacking relative to y'all. The VAMP sounds awesome but I doubt our unit has the cash to get them.

[rngeorge]

We recently started to use the TGC (tight glucose control) protocol. Unfortunately, we cant use an arterial sample as our glucometer POCT will only take capillary blood. Besides using the finger pads, using the sides of the fingers gives more sites to rotate. Still, q1h is pretty frequent.

We also use the Edwards vamp system and have found it very useful. It eliminates the need for "discard" in art line samples

RNG

[NurseFirst]

Originally Posted by KLARN

In the ICU I work in we just started the q1h accuchecks so we are working out the kinks, however the patient is not required to have a line of any sort to draw from and YES it is cruel. We have a diabetic patient(not in all cases but most in our ICU)who has potential for poor peripheral vascular circulation and we poke their fingers every hour. We have a new Endocrinologist who does seem to have a grasp on getting these blood sugars under control, but his orders are new and he keeps revising them. The staff are already trying to deal with this change and then the orders change. This is leading to multiple errors as well as blood sugars of 400-40 in a matter of an hour. Hopefully we will get a grasp on this because the studies do indicate its benefits bu tcertain protocols must be initiated as well(arterial lines a must).

So, this sounds like a bit of science gone mad; nobody is thinking about the consequences, ISTM. Great, we have research studies that say X, and I've heard that as well. However, if we are poking people more who already have poor peripheral circulation....um, can anyone see anything wrong with this picture? Plus, if you are a patient, how can you keep a positive attitude if someone is going to come in every hour and cause you pain? And we know that positive attitudes help to improve outcomes as well.

NurseFirst