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Feb 11, 2008, 11:16 PM
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Okay, this is his home...what if his tastes turn to kiddie porn?
What if he wants help taking illicit drugs? Or producing them?
What if he starts a criminal venture using a computer or whatever?
We still have to deal with the reality that we can't do anythingeverything we want just because we want to and have the ability to. Esp. when it is harassment to others.
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Feb 11, 2008, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by psalm
Okay, this is his home...what if his tastes turn to kiddie porn?
What if he wants help taking illicit drugs? Or producing them?
What if he starts a criminal venture using a computer or whatever?
We still have to deal with the reality that we can't do anythingeverything we want just because we want to and have the ability to. Esp. when it is harassment to others.
I think the big difference is legal vs illegal activities. Adult movies are legal. Child porn or illicit drugs are illegal thus would not be allowed.
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Feb 18, 2008, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bollweevil
This is too harsh because he is completely dependent, totally unable to do anything for himself. He is in his home and, as an adult, is entitled to watch what he wants. As long as someone is on duty who doesn't mind helping him and as long as he understands that he doesn't get to be rude to staff, he should be able to watch what he wants. I wonder what a lawyer would say.
The other people you mention - the diabetic, the smoker - these presumably can get up and walk away, go buy their own food, go out to smoke if they want to.
As for a chaplain - I will venture the guess that a chaplain is available maybe once or twice per week for about 30 minutes, if that. This patient is stuck in bed or w/c 24/7. That's a lot of hours to fill. Not that porn is the best way to fill them. But 33 years, my God! Can you even begin to imagine what he has been through? If ever there was a reason to further stem cell research, this is it. I hear what you're saying and would advocate some limits and even encourage the chaplain visits. But, since he's a total prisoner, I'd be much more lenient with him than with mobile, self-reliant patients.
How does his time get filled? Any visitors? Anyone to play a game with him? Does he have internet? Any pets visit? Local groups like churches, veterans, anyone? What a horrible way to live, IMHO. Has he made peace with it do you think or what? Does he take classes? Learn new things? So sad.
We have a chaplain who comes through to visit, of course. This resident chooses not to engage in discussions about spirituality. Our Activity Coordinator spends a lot of time with him. He likes trivia games - he's quite intelligent. He watches other movies in addition to the pornographic movies. He is learning Spanish using Rosetta Stone software. We have a facility pet that visits him, and some of our staff enjoy going in to talk with him. He is actually more content with his life than a lot of able-bodied people that I know. The only problem is with a few staff members who have major issues with the pornography. Even though I've made it clear that they don't have to be involved in putting the films on for him, it bothers them that it is allowed at our facility. Their most recent argument is that if an emergency were to occur in his room they would be exposed to the pornography.
He has never expressed any interest in child pornography. He likes women. A lot.
Last edited by Mrs. M. : Feb 18, 2008 at 03:25 PM.
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Feb 18, 2008, 08:14 PM
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LOL..if an emergency were to occur, I think they would be more involved with getting people out of the building safely and probably wouldn't have time to watch what was on his TV. I am totally anti smoking, but it's a legal activity and the residents can smoke out side if they want. I do not like to watch pornography but then again I don't like boxing or NASCAR. As long as it's a legal activity and he is not infringing on the rights of others who cares what he watches?
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Feb 18, 2008, 08:23 PM
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We used to have a guy who watched 'Girls Gone Wild' ads every --early morning--....at least we knew where to find the aides LOL....
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Feb 19, 2008, 12:37 AM
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This person isn't a child. If he wants to watch porn it's up to him. It sounds like you have set up reasonalbe precautions to allow him his privacy and forwarn the staff. His abusiveness toward the staff is a separate issue and needs to be delt with as such. I don't see the porn turning a sweet dispositioned quiet gentleman into a obnoxious cad. Odds are he is an obnoxious cad with or without the porn.
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Mar 08, 2008, 03:34 AM
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I realize this is an older post, however the lewd behavior is to be documented and care planned. A " family meeting" with the resident, administration, nursing and social services and set up boundries. He is entitled to see what ever programs in his room he likes. We are entilted to work in a sexually harrassment free establishment. He is just as liabel as any one else, who harasses you. It doesn't change because he lives at the home. A resident in tlc as long as he is a&ox3. Just because he is a quad doesn't make it different. and this needs to be explained to him. He should only be cared for by male staff or female staff if he were gay or it was a female. they too can sexually harass. if it is only ladies on days and guys on evenings or nights his shower times are changed, if he ever acts out on his behavior. such as attacking a staff member that the police will be brought in. case in point when i first got out of school in 79 vcr did not exist, it was playboy magazines a young male resident who had uncontrollable myoclonic sezures, would look at his mag and masterbate, on the sun deck. I had to explain that although he had the right to look at his magazines, he could not masterbate in a public area. He would have to take it back to his room. If he failed to cooperate with this the pokice would have to step in because it was a public lewd act. He explained he like being in the sun and really had no privacy in his room because in drawing the curtains he blocked visual observation for his room mates since it was a 4 bedder the only privacy was the curtain. our solution was to move him to the end of the room by the window, if his curtain was drawn by him. an his cassett player on a certain tape. he was given his space. we had total compliance after that
now i also worked on a unit where we had and old untreated std resident. he was part of a goverment experiment in the 30's had severe dementia and he was strong, he would grab any female member of staff. one girl he pulled into this bed. He hurt her back adn caused her to miscarry, she ended up having to have her spine fused. She went out permenent disability which was bad since she was only 20. we finally refused to work with him. he was moved to a va wing which was all male staffed. It was heavely documented. Now because the std effected his mind he could not be held liabel but the hospital ended up paying s small fortune for her surgery her pain and suffering and pain and suffering
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Apr 29, 2008, 10:35 AM
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I think you have to separate the two issues- by law he has a right to watch what he wants and we all have to help him (no different than lighting up a cigarette to your COPD patient -without the oxygen,of course,,) but if his lewd behavior is a problem (which of course it is)- he has to have SW talk to him that if he cant behave- the nurses can't properly take care of him and will leave the room immediately. You can't punish him by refusing him his method of entertainment, but u can leave the room immediately and he will get the message. We once manged to calm a combative patient this way and his family thanks us to this very day.
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