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Old Jan 21, 2008, 08:36 AM
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Re: Disrespectful Employees

No disrespect was meant...and some days being a staff nurse is WAY better than being the director.

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Old Jan 21, 2008, 09:07 AM
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Re: Disrespectful Employees

Originally Posted by Noryn View Post
To be honest I think that statement is rude and disrespectful especially considering your major gripe is about rude and disrespectful employees.
I find it bizarre that a senior nurse in a position of authority has to "prove" herself to her subordinates. No matter my position, in straight office work or a health care facility, it has never occurred to me to demand, in effect, "Yeah? Let's see if YOU can pass this typing test!"

The respect is due, period, by virtue of the hierarchy and her place in it. If at any time she proves that she does NOT deserve the respect that's another story. But I certainly don't want subordinates with gigantic chips on their shoulders who require me to prove myself to them. That's been done, hence the position of authority.

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Old Jan 21, 2008, 10:01 AM
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Re: Disrespectful Employees

If you noticed, I stated I worked the floor when needed, or when on-call and no one else could be found. We do not use pool in our facility. I put in over 40+ hours per week but, also know how to delegate some issues to my managers. I do not spend my whole workng day out on the floor but, each day is also different.

I still get my reports to the NHA and CEO and board in a timely manner without working into the evening hours. I do start my day around 6A to ensure I see the noc shift and leave around 4P after i have seen the evening shift. I believe each shift should be acknowledged on a daily basis by me as this does cut down on the majority of any complaints.

I feel for you CapeCod. Each building has their own issues and daily crisis. Back to the origianl subject... if the nurse you spoke of has been trained and others can do the job, set her straight and tell her the "attitude" will not be tolerated. Hopefully her behavior does not show to the residents.

Good luck

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Old Jan 21, 2008, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CapeCodMermaid View Post
I'm glad the last 2 posters don't work for me. And to the poster who thinks it's required for the DNS to fill in shifts...think again. Maybe you have a small place and you can adjust your work schedule. I can't. I have deadlines to meet every day and when I'm not doing MY work I have to stay late. I don't mind helping out but I say walk a mile in my shoes before you think I do nothing all day. Listen in to the conversations I have with corporate when I am telling them we need to increase the staffing ratio.....stand by the phone and listen when I am telling them we need to increase the pay for the staff...sit in my office at 8 oclock on a Friday night when I am trying to finish a report to DPH about an incident that happened when I wasn't even in the building and that no one who was in the building bothered to do a complete enough incident report so I have some information. No wonder so many DNSs stay in their office all day. It's hard to come out and get treated badly for things you have little to no control over.
Let's see my NM at Johns Hopkins, in her late 50s, published multiple times, co-author of CE booklets for them, consulted regarding a national aired program on preventing med errors, and has been quoted in AJN (or was it Nursing 2007) twice in a year, regarding unit research projects on the effects of noise reduction devices and and developing scales to predict delirium in cancer patients. When she had a problem employee, even if it was a traveler, she would work the night shift with them to assess the issue. She also came in when there was no charge on nights, and she took patients.

But then, being the top rated hospital in the nation consistantly for several years doesn't mean that much. And we all know that being published doesn't take that much time......(sarcasm intended)

I have worked with NMs at Thomas Jefferson and Hospital at UPenn, at New York Presbyterian and at Beth Israel Deaconess in Boston. All excellent facilities, with low turnover and good to superior reputations. And the manager put in occasional shifts on the floor. At TJUH, she did one to two per month, taking the same load as staff. And despite having lousy ratios at the time, there was less turnover and the staff had a lot more respect for management.

I would go to the mat for any of these women, as would many of the staff. And the fact they are consistantly ranked excellent in the nation has a lot to do with these awesome managers.

On the other hand, there was the community facility where the manager refused to meet with any staff at a time that wasn't convenient for her. She explained no policy changes to anyone not on days, because, well, she doesn't need to because she is "management". People may not have been openly rude, but they certainly said plenty behind her back. After she had substantial turnover, and refusing to come in to safely cover the unit in the aftermath, because it wasn't "convenient", she quickly her future time "freed up"....by demotion.

Many staff would not come extra, which would have prevented her needing be called in.......because they had no respect for someone who won't dirty her own hands.....and would just not answer the phone.

While we know LTC is different, management still has to earn respect.

You cannot force respect....you must earn it. And what is being said to your face, well...the buzz behind it is generally much worse.

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Old Jan 22, 2008, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by noc4senuf View Post
Coming in on the weekends to work? I thought all DON's did this when needed. Not only weekends but evenings and nocs too. If it is my turn to take on-call then that's what I do. I just have to adjust my own work load to accomodate it.

I posted earlier that I do write up the nurse(s) for rude behavior but, i also allow them to come to my office to vent. This means, any employee is welcome to come in, shut the door and say what they need to. And believe me I have heard all the language over the years. But, there is a line between venting and being rude and having conduct/insubordination issues. It is when they cross this line that they receive disciplinary actions.

It is sad to say that there will always be staffing issues in LTC. I as a DON will be out on the floor along with my managers passing meds, doing treatments and feeding/toileting each time that it somes up if we are unable to find replacements. I don't expect the floor nurses to do anything that I wouldn't do myself.
Wow! What a great example you are to all nursing management!

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Old Jan 22, 2008, 07:39 PM
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Hi I'm new to this site. I have been a nurse for 25 years now. 9 years in the operating room and the rest as a geriactric nurse. When I had first became a geriatric nurse I had between 18 to 22 patients. I now average between 37 and 40. Most of them were alert and oriented and took their medication and they didn't have much medication to take. I have seen that through out the years as the medical field has progressed with more labs, new labs, more medications, new medications, more diabeties, all in progress as in the number of doctors and the different tests that are now run, how many doctors that you know will put a geriactric patient on a new medication and take them off of one, they will put them on one but very seldom take them off of one. these new companies that have taken over have cut back staff. Nursing homes are not just nursing homes any more. Nursing homes are taking drug abusers, psych patients, more acute patients and because of modern technology geriatric patients are living a lot longer. They are variety homes. Some patients now you have to crush their meds and then practically stand on your head to get them to take them. The drug abusers are always wanting to fight to try and get more medications, and they are screaming and causing turmoil on the units. In 8 hours time you have 37 to 40 patients to give meds to times 2. State wants you to do it in two hours. One hour before and one hour after. You have to chart on your medicare patients, you chart on your patients that are on antibiotics. What geriatric patient that is now 92 or older bed ridden who doesn't have pneumonia. Weather yearly or aspirated. You have to chart on the abusive patients every shift to regulate their medication for the doctor. Then their is the monthly charting and you have your skin assesment. Your also expected to follow up on the lab reports. Usually lab reports don't come back to a nursing home until after second shift has started and the doctors office is closed. Then you have to try and reach the on call doctor for any change in medication. You are also expected to help your C.N.A.'s when they need it. Any fall or skin tear has to be written up, families notified and also doctors are notified. Familys usually call when they get off work to ask about a loved one or they stop by to see them and talk to you. You help feed patients at meal time. There is nothing that I have mentioned that is hard to do. Even taking care of my trach patients. It is however time consumming. I am on the job for 8 hours. They say I have a thirty minute brake and two 15 minute breaks. So in seven hours I'm to get all this done. When a patient is placed on antibiotic's you have your infection controll form to fill out. Your doctors orders, fax the orders to pharmacy, write them on the P.O.F.'s and on the mars. How much can I do in 7 hours. The new nurses are almost always thrown out onto the floors and it's sink or swim. They get scolded, put on three days suspensions, and usually in front of other nurses. Take 37 or 40 and divide it into 7 hours and tell me how many minutes I have to spend with each patient. Just my two cents worth.

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Old Jan 22, 2008, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pepperann35 View Post
Wow! What a great example you are to all nursing management!
I wish more were like you. It helps to understand and not just close your eyes.

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Old Jan 22, 2008, 08:07 PM
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So apparently all y'all think it's okay for a nurse to stick her finger in her supervisor's face and say "Act professional" before they both walked into my office to discuss staffing? I think not.

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Old Jan 22, 2008, 08:21 PM
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I am a new nurse and I understand how it feels to be under pressure but one must still act professionaly, anyone nurse or not knows not to speak to their boss like that! she could have addressed her boss in a better fashion! She definetly must be disciplined, this type of insubordination left unchecked is contagious and rapid growing! if she talks to the boss like that imagine how she treats staff, patients, patient families?? horrendous!

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Old Jan 22, 2008, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CapeCodMermaid View Post
So apparently all y'all think it's okay for a nurse to stick her finger in her supervisor's face and say "Act professional" before they both walked into my office to discuss staffing? I think not.
No I do not think it's o.k. to stick a finger in any bodies face. Respect should be given to a boss and or employee. I would probably fired her or him on the spot. I feel if maners and respect were used more often people wouldn't get in so much trouble. What happened to the good old days.

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