[sharlynn]

Originally Posted by icyounurse

Amen sister. And actually not everyone who is uninsured is so because they have "made bad choices". Me and my husband recently moved and are starting new jobs and it takes 30 days to get the insurance. If you are in an accident or get cancer or something in the meantime? Oh well. I think the whole system has some major flaws personally.

My husband and I were recently in the same position with insurance. Fortunately , we stayed healthy until it kicked in!
But, I do remember making Home Health visits at one job several years ago and having diabetic patients trying to decide between food or prescriptions. Food usually won!

[scottlgarrett]

O.K here is my sob story: I work 2 jobs, I work 7 days a week. Health insurance at job # 1 would cost me 1400.00 dollars per month, thats 700.00 per pay check, at job 2 1000.00 per month or 250.00 per pay check. I insure out of my own pocket my wife and my 2 kids for 150.00 per month with a $ 10,000.00 deductable, my wife has a pre-existing condition which is not covered and I pay for that all on my own. I cannot even deduct the premium I pay off of my income tax. I don't whine about it I just do it.

Those of you who are whining about COBRA, my violins are playing. If you are going to switch jobs and move, perhaps you should think about saving up enough money to cover COBRA while you are in transition, if you think you cannot save the money then you should reevaluate your spending habits. makes sense to me.

[GrumpyRN63]

Originally Posted by scottlgarrett

Does anyone believe that our government will do any better with a national healthcare plan than they have done with social security? It is just going to be more money out of our paychecks and into the hands of the politicians. Socialism is not an American value.

Amen Brother

[icyounurse]

Originally Posted by scottlgarrett

O.K here is my sob story: I work 2 jobs, I work 7 days a week. Health insurance at job # 1 would cost me 1400.00 dollars per month, thats 700.00 per pay check, at job 2 1000.00 per month or 250.00 per pay check. I insure out of my own pocket my wife and my 2 kids for 150.00 per month with a $ 10,000.00 deductable, my wife has a pre-existing condition which is not covered and I pay for that all on my own. I cannot even deduct the premium I pay off of my income tax. I don't whine about it I just do it.

Those of you who are whining about COBRA, my violins are playing. If you are going to switch jobs and move, perhaps you should think about saving up enough money to cover COBRA while you are in transition, if you think you cannot save the money then you should reevaluate your spending habits. makes sense to me.

I am sorry your insurance costs so much. I am not "whining" about COBRA, more like suggesting it isn't the best solution for everyone, I really think there could be a better way. Thats all I am saying. I am maybe being too optimistic?Why does wanting to adjust and change the current system have to mean that you are "whining". Its called being proactive. Getting out and voting and supporting those who legislate for something better. Are you saying tha we should all just accept that while the situation is bad we should just suck it up and take it, better to do that than complain. What do we live in a totalitarian regime or something? Last time I checked we live in America buddy.

[scottlgarrett]

Originally Posted by icyounurse

I am sorry your insurance costs so much. I am not "whining" about COBRA, more like suggesting it isn't the best solution for everyone, I really think there could be a better way. Thats all I am saying. I am maybe being too optimistic?Why does wanting to adjust and change the current system have to mean that you are "whining". Its called being proactive. Getting out and voting and supporting those who legislate for something better. Are you saying tha we should all just accept that while the situation is bad we should just suck it up and take it, better to do that than complain. What do we live in a totalitarian regime or something? Last time I checked we live in America buddy.

"And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country".
John F. Kennedy


The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe - the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
John F. Kennedy

[icyounurse]

Originally Posted by sharlynn

My husband and I were recently in the same position with insurance. Fortunately , we stayed healthy until it kicked in!
But, I do remember making Home Health visits at one job several years ago and having diabetic patients trying to decide between food or prescriptions. Food usually won!

I hope we are as fortunate as you to stay healthy while we are waiting for the insurance to kick in!! We have our fingers crossed:]

[scottlgarrett]

Well buddy, we do live in the United States of America. As citizens of this country or any other country we have be responsible for ourselves.

Personal Responsibility!!!

[marikat534]

Ok, my 2 cents on universal healthcare.

First off lets face the facts we are 1/2 socialized. Medicaid/Medicare are forms of socialized medicine, and I do not know if you have ever had to find places that accept either but you either have a longer wait time or have to wait forever to get in (more common with Medicaid). Physicians in America get under paid for services when they can make a lot more from private, considering they have to drop big bucks for malpractice insurance and med school bills, because we live in a country where you can get sued or accused of anything.

Taxes are higher as well for socialized medicine. Because we are covering the vast majority of people and since we are going to insure everyone that means more money coming out of pockets. So again less money which is why people don't have insurance in the first place. The government with insurance companies have screwed up healthcare with DRGs and HMOs. I have little faith in the government.

What I feel would be better is requiring all jobs to offer healthcare and not allow insurance companies to refuse to insurance persons. Make it so insurance is readily available to everyone to come straight out of their paychecks.
Get rid of frivolous law suits in health care if there wasn't a sentinel event then the hospital pays out of pockets to fix whatever happened cased close.
Have more access to clinics that run 7 days a week with late hours instead of unnecessary visits to ED.

We might not have the best healthcare system in place but I would rather be seen in an American hospital than most. We are actively researching and improving quality of care.

[fronkey bean]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

This is an assertion not supported by evidence:



http://prospect.org/cs/articles?arti...lth_of_nations

Tell that to the soldiers at Walter Reed

[RNontheroad]

At the risk of this turning into a political debate, which is certainly not my intention, I would like to share an article that I came across the other day when looking at the political canidates and thier views on certain issues. Like all of you, healthcare and its future is at the top of my list of concerns.
The article who is written by Mitt Romney and was published in The Wall Street Journal. It is his solution to the issue of insurance coverage for everyone.
After discussing it with DH, I am really not sure if it would work or not, but it is an interesting proposition.
Again I am not trying to endorse any canidates or thier viewpoints...this is just "food for thought".
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110008213