[MBANurse]

http://web.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.apo...0sessionmgr103

[ingelein]

Maybe this is why,
http://www.aarp.org/issues/advocacy/...u_covered.html

"Are You Covered?

What if our nation was a place in which no one had to go without health care?

A nation in which everyone-children, mothers, the elderly-could get health care at a price they can afford?

By working TOGETHER and raising our voices, we can make this a reality."

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by ingelein

Maybe this is why,
http://www.aarp.org/issues/advocacy/...u_covered.html

"Are You Covered?

What if our nation was a place in which no one had to go without health care?

A nation in which everyone-children, mothers, the elderly-could get health care at a price they can afford?

By working TOGETHER and raising our voices, we can make this a reality."

What if our nation were in a place where everyone had groceries?

What if our nation were in a place where everyone had a place to live?

Sounds great... and its a wonderful Idea...

but Still it amounts to taking from those who have (for no other reason than that they have) and giving to those that have not (for no other reason than they do not have).

I would rather live in a nation that expects citizens to provide for themselves. I would rather live in a world where the hard work and dedication are rewarded... not merely existence.

I do not believe that just because you were born you are entitled to the same things that I have achieved. I worked for mine. You work for yours.

Yes, there are exceptions. But they should be few and far between.

[ingelein]

Well, I guess this could be argued till the cows come home. 2008 will tell. Curious, what will you do if a single payer system were to be enacted?

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by ingelein

Well, I guess this could be argued till the cows come home. 2008 will tell. Curious, what will you do if a single payer system were to be enacted?

That depends on what options I have available to me. If there is such a system in place if I can opt out in the form of tax credits or rebates; I'll do that.

If I have to suck it up.. well I'll follow the rest of the sheeple. Then as people start to wail and cry about the system that costs them more and treats less I'll point and laugh.

[ingelein]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

That depends on what options I have available to me. If there is such a system in place if I can opt out in the form of tax credits or rebates; I'll do that.

If I have to suck it up.. well I'll follow the rest of the sheeple. Then as people start to wail and cry about the system that costs them more and treats less I'll point and laugh.

I like the concept of allowing people to opt out, BUT I dont think it is feasable, so IF you end up a sheeple, and it works out, I get to tell you I told you so, and vice versa. I was worried that you folks might start a revolt! Im glad to hear that you havent spouted that "give me liberty or give me death" stuff, when it come to healthcare, that is.

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

Viking,
Your citations are not academically referenced. Your sources are not subjective. YOUR sources cherry pick the information that they want to.

Freedom42;

THERE are lots of sources in the first post that are not blogs or opinions... or at least they are no more opinions than what pnhp is offering.

Just like I said

Each of the sources that I [posted was published in an academic journal with a posted reference list. Original article text is freely available for the reader. The articles are freely available and can be read with an open mind. OECD, The Commonwealth Fund and PNHP sources essentially agree that the US health care system of inequitable access presents a real threat to the future economic viability of the US.

See this graph:



Assuring equality of access to health care services is NOT assuring equality of results. Our lack of a rational health care system places our country at risk for economic decline.

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

Assuring equality of access to health care services is NOT assuring equality of results. Our lack of a rational health care system places our country at risk for economic decline.

Then what it is when you take money from me in the form of taxes and give it to someone else in the form of health care?

[HM2Viking]

My thinking is guided by core nursing values:

Caring is best demonstrated by a nurse's ability to embody the five core values of professional nursing. Core nursing values essential to baccalaureate education include human dignity, integrity, autonomy, altruism, and social justice.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...indexed=google

The point that I think is being missed is that the insured are already paying for the uninsured in the form of premium cost shifts to pay for the costs of the uninsured that are not reimbursed. A well designed system brings everyone into the pool. Everyone is contributing towards the cost of health care. I posted slides earlier that discuss how to achieve universal coverage.

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

My thinking is guided by core nursing values:

Caring is best demonstrated by a nurse's ability to embody the five core values of professional nursing. Core nursing values essential to baccalaureate education include human dignity, integrity, autonomy, altruism, and social justice.

Thats great...
But what is it called when you take from one and give to another to even it out?

My point is...
Taxes are going to go up for everyone; things will not be covered. THe government will bungle this the same way that they bungle everything... then we will be stuck with a more ineffiecent system that costs more.

IT SOUNDS GREAT BUT WILL NOT WORK.
Sorry


and btw... how do those that will not, can not,do not work contribute to the system? No income means no taxes... low income means no taxes... so, no not everyone will be contributing.