[ingelein]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

No one said you did... they aren't going to swarm you.

It was all me.

I am the evil conservative that wants to get kids off the streets... and make sure that they are fed, clothed and sheltered. Of course its better they live on the street or in a shelter with their parents... right?

It almost seems as if you want someone to agree with you that you are evil. You may or may not be evil, but it isnt ones conservative ideas that would make one evil, it goes way beyond that.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

It may in the short term actually cost more money. But this thread was about homeless children... and the heartwrenching story about the shelter from Karen... I mean don't you want the children off the street.. to be clothed and fed and protected.

It would be cheaper to feed and house 2 kids than them and their parents. Parents should be able to fend for themselves.


But lets be honest shall we... this isn't about the kids. Its about the socialization of the United States. It is the liberal postion that the rich should be made to spread their wealth so that there is no poor. That people are entitled to all the things that they want out of life...
I wish that I could say that healthcare is just the beginning... but it started a long time ago with FDR.

It isn't cheaper to house and feed 2 children than it is to provide for them and their parents, because you have to reimburse the care provider of those children. The minimum reimbursement per child in my county is $400 a month, plus all medical and legal costs, plus the licensing and administrative costs of overseeing their placement.

It really isn't for you to declare what this issue is "about" for other people. You feel that it is about socialization and that's fine. Everyone interprets issues differently. To me, it is about the humane treatment of children and families. I agree that parents "should" be able to fend for themselves. However, that isn't always the case. As far as I'm concerned, no one "should" believe that it is acceptable to break families apart based solely on economic reasons. That also isn't always the case.

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by ingelein

It almost seems as if you want someone to agree with you that you are evil. You may or may not be evil, but it isnt ones conservative ideas that would make one evil, it goes way beyond that.

I guess emotions are hard to convey and understand via text.

This was a thread about homeless kids.. right?
and how they were on the street or in a shelter right...

Yet when I say that the government should take them... you know, off the streets or out of shelters... and feed clothe and protect I get jumped...

It is better that they live with the family ... on the street... or in the shelter on the floor...



and I really like the "logical song" I have had supertramp running through my head since I saw your sig

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by mercyteapot

It isn't cheaper to house and feed 2 children than it is to provide for them and their parents, because you have to reimburse the care provider of those children. The minimum reimbursement per child in my county is $400 a month, plus all medical and legal costs, plus the licensing and administrative costs of overseeing their placement.

It really isn't for you to declare what this issue is "about" for other people. You feel that it is about socialization and that's fine. Everyone interprets issues differently. To me, it is about the humane treatment of children and families. I agree that parents "should" be able to fend for themselves. However, that isn't always the case. As far as I'm concerned, no one "should" believe that it is acceptable to break families apart based solely on economic reasons. That also isn't always the case.

So you admit that it is better to leave kids on the street with their parents than to take them? I said it may cost more in the short term... but long term I believe that they would learn to work so that when they are parents their kids wouldnt be taken from them.

Last I checked... This was the United States of America and I was free to declare what I believe the issue(s) boil down to for anyone; if you disagree fine. My statement stands. It is socialization and will be the downfall of the country.
Why do you state that no one "should" believe that kids should be taken from parents for financial reasons... The kids are out on the street with the parents. Hell yeah they should be taken for financial reasons because obviously they cant take of their kids.

[pickledpepperRN]

From the original post:

Making Room at America's Inn for All God's Children -- Marian Wright Edelman

...How long until we say to children whose parents are working hard every day trying to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads, "We will help you escape poverty"? "We'll catch you in our safety net until your family is able to provide for you again"?...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marian...-_b_77872.html

[ingelein]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

I guess emotions are hard to convey and understand via text.

This was a thread about homeless kids.. right?
and how they were on the street or in a shelter right...

Yet when I say that the government should take them... you know, off the streets or out of shelters... and feed clothe and protect I get jumped...

It is better that they live with the family ... on the street... or in the shelter on the floor...



and I really like the "logical song" I have had supertramp running through my head since I saw your sig

I dont think you are evil, I dont dislike you.

I am an immigrant whose family came here legally, we were in displaced persons camps in Austria after the 2nd WW for 10 years before being allowed to come to this country. My brother served as a medic(hospital corpsmen)Vietnam, my daughter serves in the Navy . People who are disenfranchised in some way have WORTH too, they or thier children could actually become one of our greatest heros or a doctor or a lawyer (as one of my daughters did). My immigrant parents would be so proud to know that . BUT if Austria were to have been allowed to kick us out ( they didnt like refugees), we would not have had the opportunity to come here and be productive citizens, we would have been shipped back to Yugoslavia and been killed by the Communists. To dismiss a segment of our society as having no worth is a huge mistake, we dont know what the future holds, good or bad.

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

From the original post:

Well then Karen made it about that when she posted about the shelter...

and it seems to me eliminating the "burden" of providing for their kids for a while would both motivate and make it easier for the parents to sooner be able to provide for them... if it doesn't well then they are jsut crappy parents aren't they.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by psalm

Well, I'm a conservative but not evil. And I have seen parents who have had intervention and families were reunited and things get better. It took time, but it can be done.

I don't think this is a political issue... I know lots of conservatives and liberals (and moderates, like me, too) who believe that social programs aimed at keeping families together are well worth the initial public $.

The irony is that these programs, which are far more humane than breaking up families, are also far less of a drain on public resources than the costs of foster placements, group homes or centers are now and even more, would be if an automatic removal system was put into place.

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by ingelein

I dont think you are evil, I dont dislike you.

I am an immigrant whose family came here legally, we were in displaced persons camps in Austria after the 2nd WW for 10 years before being allowed to come to this country. My brother served as a medic(hospital corpsmen)Vietnam, my daughter serves in the Navy . People who are disenfranchised in some way have WORTH too, they or thier children could actually become one of our greatest heros or a doctoror a lawyer (as my daughter did). My immigrant parents would be so proud to know that . BUT if Austria were to have been allowed to kick us out ( they didnt like refugees), we would not have had the opportunity to come here and be productive citizens, we would have been shipped back to Yugoslavia and been killed by the Communists. To dismiss a segment of our society as having no worth is a huge mistake, we dont know what the future holds, good or bad.

to assume that everyone should be nurtured for potential worth when there is so much KINETIC worth in the world is a mistake if you ask me.
You either make it... or you don't. Stand tall or fall down... its all you, In my opinion.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

So you admit that it is better to leave kids on the street with their parents than to take them? I said it may cost more in the short term... but long term I believe that they would learn to work so that when they are parents their kids wouldnt be taken from them.

Last I checked... This was the United States of America and I was free to declare what I believe the issue(s) boil down to for anyone; if you disagree fine. My statement stands. It is socialization and will be the downfall of the country.
Why do you state that no one "should" believe that kids should be taken from parents for financial reasons... The kids are out on the street with the parents. Hell yeah they should be taken for financial reasons because obviously they cant take of their kids.

I didn't say that it is better for children to be on the streets and I don't appreciate you making up such a ridiculous accusation. Could we possibly stick to the truth here? If not, this discussion is nothing more than fantasy.

Actually, "this" is a discussion board, not the USA or anyplace else. I didn't say you couldn't express whatever you want, I said it isn't for you to declare what an issue is about for someone else, because you aren't qualified to make that determination. And also, maybe you could refrain from swearing at me, too? If it wouldn't be too much of an impingement upon your constitutional rights, that is...